princevaliantus Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 Carnival has announce further cancellations and redeployments into the 4th Qtr of 2021 !! And for those who tried and keep trying to sugar-coat it, let it sink in. It's happening. 2021 starting to look more and more like a bust!! DD474 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo2slick Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 I thought Carnival was going to put a few ships into dry dock while all of this was going on. Makes sense to do all of their work while they are handcuffed by the CDC. Baked Alaska 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshgates Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/carnival-cruise-line-releases-additional-plans-on-fleet-deployment-301213624.html looks like it's mostly related to dry docks. To be honest I'll be more optimistic when they start announcing things out far in advance, to me that means they're more confident in the situation and a timeline for restart. Agree with you in general though, doubt we see much happening in 2021 till fall. Switched my December sailings over to the Grandeur, think it's got a better chance of going, but far from a guarantee. Yo2slick and Baked Alaska 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 Carnival Magic, Carnival Paradise and Carnival Valor, those ships return to operations will be delayed until November 2021 after their dry dock and will not sail in 2021 till Novembet 2021. Ask yourself, 10 months of dry dock and no sailing in 2021 till November? Something smells funny in Denmark and it's not the cheese!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 Okay, so Magic was to dry dock in 2021 and has to since it's her 10 year ( I sailed Magic once). Paradise, being an older ship has to dry dock more frequently and is also due in 2021 (I sailed a sister ship). Valor is due and must be done in 2021 because, well it's that time since her last dry dock was in 2016 (I've sailed Valor twice). So here is the sugar coated version - these ships have to dry dock in 2021. No choice, must be done or they won't have their certificates to sail. Not a lot of sugar, just facts. Here is the pandemic reality version - these ships must dry dock in 2021 so why put them into service (if that is even possible) only to yank them out of service to dry dock? Wouldn't it be better to launch a restart with ships that don't need servicing in 2021? Carnival has more ships in the fleet so why not avoid restarting, as this elusive restart date moves again and again, with ships that must go to dry dock, when, ship yards are also impacted by the pandemic? It's not like shipyards are doing business like they always have, they are most likely telling ship owners "we have no idea when we will return to normal" like so many businesses in these very strange times. Sorry, I don't see a conspiracy here. Yo2slick, SpeedNoodles, Baked Alaska and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 As i have been saying all along...nothing happening cruise wise for anyone in N.A till late 2021.....and for Canadians it may be 2022 before we can travel so for me it may be that cruising starts and I still cant go. haf and Yo2slick 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 @princevaliantus you're also missing the fact other ships in the fleet are not delayed until Q4 2021. Very few, if anyone, ever thought the entire fleet of Royal Caribbean ships would be sailing by the end of this year. The question isn't when will every ship be back in service, rather, which ships will return to service first. twangster, sk8erguy1978, Neesa and 12 others 13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 I have a November 2021 booking on the Odyssey. My thinking is “If it sails, it sails”. But to be honest, with the challenges and issues with the vaccination program and the new, more contagious variants surfacing, I think a 2021 sail date will not be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 I just read that NCL is sending it's crew back home (thousands) and only keeping essential crew members. On all ships. Also not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Linda R said: I just read that NCL is sending it's crew back home (thousands) and only keeping essential crew members. On all ships. Also not a good sign. Of course it's not a good sign but you still have certain individuals <cough, cough, scroll up> who are still in denial. Ogalthorpe Haywood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, princevaliantus said: Of course it's not a good sign but you still have certain individuals <cough, cough, scroll up> who are still in denial. Yes. I want cruises to start but I do not expect much this year. Turning out like last year at this point, and it is only January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, Matt said: @princevaliantus you're also missing the fact other ships in the fleet are not delayed until Q4 2021. Very few, if anyone, ever thought the entire fleet of Royal Caribbean ships would be sailing by the end of this year. The question isn't when will every ship be back in service, rather, which ships will return to service first. Absolutely.. Which ships? would love to know....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattymay Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Man, there are a lot of rusty ships out there at the moment, many could do with a dry dock and a fresh coat of paint! I'm just happy I got my Mardi Gras money back. Wonder of the Seas inaugural here we come (provided covid doesn't affect travel in 2022). Baked Alaska 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.s Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Linda R said: I just read that NCL is sending it's crew back home (thousands) and only keeping essential crew members. On all ships. Also not a good sign. http://crew-center.com/all-ncl-non-essential-crew-be-repatriated-home-april-2021 If they're getting the crew home by April can't see them starting cruises for another 3 months after then, so late summer at best Linda R and jticarruthers 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 If that doesn't make you think cruising isn't coming back any time soon this year, then nothing will. Linda R and Baked Alaska 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovetocruise2002 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 It might just be me, but there is a huge difference between being in denial and wanting to point out all the facts before making grand sweeping statements. Snotarni, Matt, teddy and 6 others 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, monctonguy said: If that doesn't make you think cruising isn't coming back any time soon this year, then nothing will. The earliest I see it coming back would be 4th quarter in October sometime and that is being optimistic and given that test cruises and crew training have yet to start, no certificates has been granted from the CDC, etc. Stay tuned folks. Linda R and monctonguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Unfortunately the trend is not looking good for cruising, such a frustrating shame though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, princevaliantus said: The earliest I see it coming back would be 4th quarter in October sometime and that is being optimistic and given that test cruises and crew training have yet to start, no certificates has been granted from the CDC, etc. Stay tuned folks. Which contradicts your 1st post when you say 2021 is more like a bust!!!! And you sayin Oct at the earliest which is actually earlier than the nov mentioned on the Carnival photo so you are in fact going against what cruiselines are predicting and like thd rest of us hoping for it sooner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ray said: Which contradicts your 1st post when you say 2021 is more like a bust!!!! And you sayin Oct at the earliest which is actually earlier than the nov mentioned on the Carnival photo so you are in fact going against what cruiselines are predicting and like thd rest of us hoping for it sooner I wish you would quote me verbatim (defined by my friend, Oxford, as in exactly the same words as were used originally) which you did not, which I stated "2021 starting to look more and more like a bust!!" You stated that I said, "2021 is more like a bust!!!!" Two total different statements. I'm being optimistic for an October outlook. But on the other hand, 2021 can still be a bust, maybe not a total bust but if you don't get to cruise in 2021, will you consider it a bust if you, specifically, can't sail?? I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cile Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 I wish CDC will give some information about cruising., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, princevaliantus said: but if you don't get to cruise in 2021, will you consider it a bust if you, specifically, can't sail?? I would. Nope because i havent booked for 2021!! Right now i cant even travel 20miles never mind 2000!! Now IF cruises start anytime in 2021 i will be straight onto websites looking for not the best deal but thd one that gives me the best chance of actually getting there with minimum hassle. With regards how i quote you! MAYBE just maybe if you didnt write as if your word was god and everyone should listen to you and you alone you may find people dont question you so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ray said: Nope because i havent booked for 2021!! Right now i cant even travel 20miles never mind 2000!! Now IF cruises start anytime in 2021 i will be straight onto websites looking for not the best deal but thd one that gives me the best chance of actually getting there with minimum hassle. With regards how i quote you! MAYBE just maybe if you didnt write as if your word was god and everyone should listen to you and you alone you may find people dont question you so much Well, I don't think my "word is God" and I never said everyone should listen to me. I just expressed an opinion like many do on here and whether you choose to follow it, that will be up to you. But, if I would question anyone, I would make sure to quote them accurately and this way it would not fall back on misquoting and then trying to circumvent a corrected issue. At the end, no love lost. Enjoy your day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshgates Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 What's the saying, it's always darkest before the dawn? We've made some huge strides since last March. We've got a better understanding of the virus, treatment protocols, mitigation practices, and multiple vaccines approved or in the process of being approved. There have been missteps, mismanagement, blunders, whatever you want to call them along the way but Fauci and most others have been saying for months now that it was going to get worse this winter before it got better. Vaccines are being administered, more are being procured, they're looking at ways to increase production, additional vaccines are in the approval process. @JeffB has made some fantastic posts on the science behind it that I can't compete with, but there's hope on the horizon. Will cruising from the US happen this year? No one knows for sure, everything is still changing too fast and there are too many unknowns, but that doesn't mean there's not hope on the horizon for it, at some point. tl;dr, there's a middle ground between the boundless optimism of a quick start and eternal pessimism of the end of cruising, I think that's where most of us fall. PRebecca, teddy, JeffB and 5 others 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floski Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread. Y'all are killin' my gin buzz. I think it would be prudent if I gave these message boards a break for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 I'm sure a few of you have seen this link. There are a small number of ships sailing , others planning to start Feb '21. MSC sailing one, and starting another from Italy. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24279-cruise-ships-back-in-service-february-2021-update.html Curt From Canada 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Wow ! More sailing (and due to sail soon) than I thought. Curt From Canada 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBRSKI Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 21 hours ago, Floski said: I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread. Y'all are killin' my gin buzz. I think it would be prudent if I gave these message boards a break for a while. Amen to That!!! I just hope Royal figures out how to start cruises out of ports other than the US and Barbados! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, cruisellama said: I'm sure a few of you have seen this link. There are a small number of ships sailing , others planning to start Feb '21. MSC sailing one, and starting another from Italy. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24279-cruise-ships-back-in-service-february-2021-update.html Only issue is none of them are sailing under CDC approval ... Europe sailing started back up back at the end of the summer IIRC ... no sign of CDC having a plan still here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 CDC based on the past 12 mths, isn't going to approve cruising anytime soon in the US..and when it does, it will be so limited and restrictive that it wont be enjoyable for the average person.... 2022 is now my prediction before cruising will sembalnce some kind of normalcy ....and that is just being one month into 2021...alot more could happen to delay it even further.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Saw an interesting article this morning that the Biden executive order requiring facemasks on all public transport is being applied by the CDC to cruise ships ... so face masks could be expected to be mandatory except when actively eating or drinking. Of course the CDC would have to allow a cruise ship to sail before that would become relevant. DD474 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.s Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 41 minutes ago, jticarruthers said: Saw an interesting article this morning that the Biden executive order requiring facemasks on all public transport is being applied by the CDC to cruise ships ... so face masks could be expected to be mandatory except when actively eating or drinking. Of course the CDC would have to allow a cruise ship to sail before that would become relevant. Guess we'll have to do more active drinking going forward DD474 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, Mike.s said: Guess we'll have to do more active drinking going forward I enjoy active drinking much more than passive drinking anyway ... honestly i think the corona in my hand is pretty much a cruise staple DD474 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshgates Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, jticarruthers said: I enjoy active drinking much more than passive drinking anyway ... honestly i think the corona in my hand is pretty much a cruise staple The time for beer hats has finally arrived! Easy drinking without mask removal, as long as they come out with a cocktail version for me we're all set. MLH and DD474 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWaits Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, joshgates said: The time for beer hats has finally arrived! Easy drinking without mask removal, as long as they come out with a cocktail version for me we're all set. Look for a Royal Caribbean patent application in the not-too-distant future. joshgates, Baked Alaska and DD474 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD474 Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 8:18 AM, jticarruthers said: Saw an interesting article this morning that the Biden executive order requiring facemasks on all public transport is being applied by the CDC to cruise ships ... so face masks could be expected to be mandatory except when actively eating or drinking. Of course the CDC would have to allow a cruise ship to sail before that would become relevant. So as the cruise ships arrive/leave a US port, I get wearing the mask. (of course) Once you're in international waters, in a different country, aboard a ship not registered in America, how's the Biden mask mandate going to apply and/or be enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmef Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 It won't be (by the U.S.) but it will be enforced by Royal Caribbean as part of their "Healthy Sail Panel" recommendations, just as it is being enforced and applied in Singapore right now on the Quantum of the Seas. DDaley, DD474 and teddy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, DD474 said: So as the cruise ships arrive/leave a US port, I get wearing the mask. (of course) Once you're in international waters, in a different country, aboard a ship not registered in America, how's the Biden mask mandate going to apply and/or be enforced. Passenger vigilantism. No mask, you're going for a swim haf, RWDW1204 and DD474 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantix2000 Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, DD474 said: So as the cruise ships arrive/leave a US port, I get wearing the mask. (of course) Once you're in international waters, in a different country, aboard a ship not registered in America, how's the Biden mask mandate going to apply and/or be enforced. By Royal dropping you off at the next port and saying "No refund, getting home is your problem now." DD474, teddy and RWDW1204 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, DD474 said: So as the cruise ships arrive/leave a US port, I get wearing the mask. (of course) Once you're in international waters, in a different country, aboard a ship not registered in America, how's the Biden mask mandate going to apply and/or be enforced. By the CDC saying, we saw a picture of a person on your ship without a mask ... fleet grounded again. DD474 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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