Davife Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Hi to everyone i was wondering why royal carribean dont take 2 ship from miami with 1000 passenger each in a 3 days only sea day to test the new requirement so we see the new measure and we give a point to it if cruise can restart in usa or not . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulRC Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 The US government does not allow for foreign flagged ships to do a cruise to nowhere. They would have to stop in any non-US country before returning to the States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, PaulRC said: The US government does not allow for foreign flagged ships to do a cruise to nowhere. They would have to stop in any non-US country before returning to the States. Unless Congress executes a waiver, which was rumored a while back but haven't heard anything on that matter for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 Cruises to nowhere are an immigration violation for foreign crew VISAs. You can thank the smaller gambling boats that tried to operate with foreign crew for this ruling. Royal would need to staff with 100% US crew to do a cruise to nowhere. WAAAYTOOO, sk8erguy1978 and JasonOasis 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 11:01 AM, Davife said: why royal carribean dont take 2 ship from miami with 1000 passenger each in a 3 days only sea day to test the new requirement RC needs approval by the CDC to conduct test sailings. As far as we know, that approval has not been granted yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt said: RC needs approval by the CDC to conduct test sailings. As far as we know, that approval has not been granted yet. Doubtful there will be any approvals until new CDC appointees are in place and have an opportunity to voice a position. The career holdovers will just sit tight until then. It will probably be 6 months before the new leadership will address (just a guess). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringfellow Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 And now testing will be required to re-enter the US. I get it, but think of the logistics if you are on a cruise or even trying to do a vacation outside of the US. Can't cruise, making it harder if I go on a land vacation outside of the US. Mandatory Testing to Enter the US monctonguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, cruisellama said: Doubtful there will be any approvals until new CDC appointees are in place and have an opportunity to voice a position. The career holdovers will just sit tight until then. It will probably be 6 months before the new leadership will address (just a guess). Unfortunately i think there is truth to this ... government efficiency at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 9:01 AM, Davife said: Hi to everyone i was wondering why royal carribean dont take 2 ship from miami with 1000 passenger each in a 3 days only sea day to test the new requirement so we see the new measure and we give a point to it if cruise can restart in usa or not . Also, I do not believe the CDC has even sent them the information on what requirements are needed to do the mock cruise. Or not all the requirements. They are kind of stuck in limbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princevaliantus Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 48 minutes ago, Linda R said: Also, I do not believe the CDC has even sent them the information on what requirements are needed to do the mock cruise. Or not all the requirements. They are kind of stuck in limbo. Read the below. CDC issued a Framework for Conditional Sailing. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwino8r935fuAhV1F1kFHYglAGgQFjABegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fquarantine%2Fpdf%2FCDC-Conditional-Sail-Order_10_30_2020-p.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3D4rylidpZvPDwkmHz6fTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, princevaliantus said: Read the below. CDC issued a Framework for Conditional Sailing. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwino8r935fuAhV1F1kFHYglAGgQFjABegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fquarantine%2Fpdf%2FCDC-Conditional-Sail-Order_10_30_2020-p.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3D4rylidpZvPDwkmHz6fTH 5 hours ago, princevaliantus said: Read the below. CDC issued a Framework for Conditional Sailing. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwino8r935fuAhV1F1kFHYglAGgQFjABegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fquarantine%2Fpdf%2FCDC-Conditional-Sail-Order_10_30_2020-p.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3D4rylidpZvPDwkmHz6fTH I think I had previously read that. My understanding is that is very vague. And details were to follow. Like who will be on overseeing this, which I understand will be a 3rd party. That is who would oversee the events on mock cruise sailings, embarkation process, etc. They need to do Covid testing at embarkation. Also wasn't established age group of mock cruisers. I originally read it could not be a person over 65. The cruise lines were also trying to figure out if they could sell anything on mock cruises to passengers or if it all would be complimentary. Like drinks, specialty restaurants, etc. I do not think any of that has been established. I also think all of the reguirements are changing all the time. But I have no official information on the details. My information comes from people in the business and I read too much on internet! I really wish the mock cruises would get started, and then they can apply for the conditional sailing permit (which I understand that once applied for it takes 60 days to get it approved and ready to sail). Such a big mess. I just had 2 more cruises cancelled today. More FCC and more Lift and Shift. 2021 is turning out as bad as 2020 for cruising at this point. Thanks for sending that article. Have a good evening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 11 hours ago, cruisellama said: Doubtful there will be any approvals until new CDC appointees are in place and have an opportunity to voice a position. The career holdovers will just sit tight until then. It will probably be 6 months before the new leadership will address (just a guess). Good information, thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunwoodyDad Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Seems like the outgoing administration twisted some arms at the CDC for the conditional framework, got distracted with other stuff we all know about, and now are almost out. So, the CDC has had the benefit of slow rolling any follow up to the framework. To be fair, they are dealing with a pandemic so are pretty busy, but it’s been apparent they would prefer that no cruises sail from the US for now Anyways, my opinion is that unless the incoming admin pushes them to get cruising going again and pursue the test cruises, we are waiting for the vaccine to be broadly administered before anything sails again. Throw in red tape time and we are looking at summer best case just for the initial cruises. jticarruthers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 I sincerely hope that the CDC is acting in good faith and all of the requirements will be forthcoming soon. Unfortunately, I'm not confident. As many have pointed out, the new administration throws in an additional variable that could gum up the whole works. Still trying to remain optimistic, but it is getting tougher by the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, steverk said: I sincerely hope that the CDC is acting in good faith and all of the requirements will be forthcoming soon. Unfortunately, I'm not confident. As many have pointed out, the new administration throws in an additional variable that could gum up the whole works. Still trying to remain optimistic, but it is getting tougher by the day! 3000 people a day in the US are dying. Cruises are like #999 on the CDC's todo list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 7700 ppl die each day in the US in "normal" conditions....we don't shut down for that......500/day die in car accidents..we dont shut down driving... CDC should still be pro-actively trying to help and encourage things to open back up and get to normal and realizing that its going to take time to implement and make all the changes required etc. DunkelBierJay, RickinSTL and VACruiser 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWaits Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 42 minutes ago, monctonguy said: 7700 ppl die each day in the US in "normal" conditions....we don't shut down for that......500/day die in car accidents..we dont shut down driving... CDC should still be pro-actively trying to help and encourage things to open back up and get to normal and realizing that its going to take time to implement and make all the changes required etc. Not disagreeing with your statement about encouraging getting to a more normal general life, but the facts are what they are - deaths attributed to Covid-19 HAVE increased the mortality rate in the U.S. Would some of those 3000 daily deaths have been included in the "normal" 7700? Almost certainly. Would most of them have been included? Absolutely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretts173 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 hours ago, monctonguy said: 7700 ppl die each day in the US in "normal" conditions....we don't shut down for that......500/day die in car accidents..we dont shut down driving... CDC should still be pro-actively trying to help and encourage things to open back up and get to normal and realizing that its going to take time to implement and make all the changes required etc. Excess mortality in the USA is running at 20% with the current restrictions in place. Yet Countries who have done well have a negative excess mortality due to low case numbers and restrictions but they are not shut down. By the way 100 deaths per day due to car accidents is the factual Not made up number. Yes too many but that's why we have speed limit laws and seat belts and highway patrols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJsMrs Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 People can barely manage their behaviour and adhere to covid rules on flights and in airports (never mind grocery stores and malls) - doesn't seem like putting several hundred/thousand on a ship ... with booze... and sending them off to motor around the Caribbean is even on the horizon in the world of things the CDC is worried about. In fact it's about the opposite - here in BC the premier is looking at the legality of not allowing residents of other provinces into BC (the Charter won't allow such a prohibition on movement), so that tells us where we're at in terms of non-essential travel. They don't even want us driving two hours from Vancouver to Whistler right now. Maybe in a few months? Hoping beyond hope our December cruise will sail. DDaley, MamaShark and Lovetocruise2002 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovetocruise2002 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, DJsMrs said: They don't even want us driving two hours from Vancouver to Whistler right now. Hopefully that doesn't stick for too long. Whistler is my back up plan if I can't sail in the summer. MamaShark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Lovetocruise2002 said: Hopefully that doesn't stick for too long. Whistler is my back up plan if I can't sail in the summer. Just another reason to add Banff to your back up plans. No talk of restricting travel here. Lovetocruise2002 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovetocruise2002 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jax said: Just another reason to add Banff to your back up plans. No talk of restricting travel here. Well that might very well have to be Plan C! Jax and WAAAYTOOO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Banff and the greater area is beautiful and all... But there are no cruise ships anywhere close to Calgary... mattymay, monctonguy, Matt and 8 others 3 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Beautiful photos ! It is, indeed, a beautiful place. Jax and twangster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovetocruise2002 Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, twangster said: But there are no cruise ships anywhere close to Calgary... Yeah, those little red things don't count... And is the Fairmont in one of your pics? I did take a look at that property, but I think we are going to Whistler instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Givens Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 The test cruises must be done according to strict CDC guide lines, the CDC has not published guide lines nor will it tell the cruise companies what they want them to do. Royal has asked to the CDC to send the requirements, but as of yet all they have heard is crickets!!!! The CDC does not want cruising to start yet so this is a way of stopping it with out saying so. TXcruzer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Lovetocruise2002 said: And is the Fairmont in one of your pics? Yes Lovetocruise2002 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 16 hours ago, twangster said: Banff and the greater area is beautiful and all... But there are no cruise ships anywhere close to Calgary... Beautiful pictures twangster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJsMrs Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 12:30 PM, Lovetocruise2002 said: Hopefully that doesn't stick for too long. Whistler is my back up plan if I can't sail in the summer. Agreed! We spend a lot of time up there in the summer and it’s amazing. Feel free to hit me up if you need recco’s on activities and food nothing like a glacier-fed lake to cool off in the middle of an epic bike ride! Lovetocruise2002 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattymay Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 5:53 AM, DJsMrs said: In fact it's about the opposite - here in BC the premier is looking at the legality of not allowing residents of other provinces into BC (the Charter won't allow such a prohibition on movement), so that tells us where we're at in terms of non-essential travel. They don't even want us driving two hours from Vancouver to Whistler right now. Maybe in a few months? Hoping beyond hope our December cruise will sail. Almost impossible to plan a non-cruise holiday here in Australia, as soon as a few cases (I'm talking about less than 5) of community spread are detected in one state all the other states close their borders to that state. Some unlucky people who are in airplanes at the time then get a nice surprise when they land and have to enter quarantine. I expect this to continue until the vaccine has been widely distributed. On new years day Victoria closed it's borders at midnight to New South Wales. There were 7 hour wait times at the border with Victorians trying to return home from NSW before it closed. If you didn't make the deadline you were turned away. I believe a few weeks later there were still some people that couldn't get home. DJsMrs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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