twangster Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 Amendment filed 4/26/2021 House • Amendment 840515 filed • Temporarily postponed, on 2nd Reading • Added to Second Reading Calendar • Bill added to Special Order Calendar (4/27/2021) cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmccaffrey Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 Here is my thoughts. For companies that want to stay in good standing with the areas that the port, I not sure even if this become law the Cruise Ship will go back to the Keys. Last thing Ships need is to become another Venice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 What is the benefit from good standing if you don't return though? Now you could question if they even want to return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 Less of a thing for RCI with only 8 ships that fit especially given some of those ships are seasonal to the US and spend a lot of time elsewhere. Bigger deal for some other lines that needs ports to fill itineraries. cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielB Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 Update....who know's what is truthful, fluff or not. https://www.yahoo.com/news/sponsor-effort-undermine-key-west-004930039.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffB Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 Oh, it's real ...... the article reveals the complexity and the politics of legislative action. What is a head scratcher for me is that the Key West "community" that had concerns about cruise ships damaging Key West's ecosystem (reefs) were the group behind the local legislation that banned large cruise ships. I've not seen anything in print that supports that allegation. I also saw some malarky that asserted cruise ship passengers account for only 7% of tourist revenue in Key West, IOW, we don't need them. I can't imagine that to be accurate knowing that thousands of cruise passengers ply the streets of Key West buying stuff, dining and drinking there most days of the year. I doubt the business community that recognizes the economic impact of that spending were given much of a voice in whatever debate was had on it. I'd argue that this local legislation banning big cruise ships is a perfect example of a small vocal minority overrunning the larger community's economic interests. There had to be some middle ground here but that rarely gets found in matters like this where the environment flag is waived. ChrisK2793 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baked Alaska Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, JeffB said: I'd argue that this local legislation banning big cruise ships is a perfect example of a small vocal minority overrunning the larger community's economic interests. There had to be some middle ground here but that rarely gets found in matters like this where the environment flag is waived. I think this will also be the case for the small group in Juneau trying to ban cruise ships. https://www.alaskapublic.org/2021/04/13/activists-want-voters-to-consider-limiting-cruise-ship-access-to-juneau/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 28, 2021 Report Share Posted April 28, 2021 Looks like the bill has stopped. https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2021/04/28/florida-house-will-not-vote-bill-reverse-key-west-cruise-ship-limitations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTLH Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 Passed after being attached to a transportation bill (SB 1194), starting line 911 on page 32. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/1194/BillText/e2/PDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, CGTLH said: Passed after being attached to a transportation bill (SB 1194), starting line 911 on page 32. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/1194/BillText/e2/PDF Yeah I was waiting for the sneak. The old decoy trick. Yeah it's dead, look away. MamaShark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 https://www.keysnews.com/news/cruise-ship-bill-approved-thursday-awaits-govs-pen/article_5c2a0bba-a86e-11eb-811e-bfacedd77c2e.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConstantCruiser Posted June 30, 2021 Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 Approved by Governor. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/01194 Amendment 116138 is the bill submitted by Boyd that was attached as an amendment to bill 1194. Text of amendment 116138 here: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/1194/Amendment/116138/HTML 1 Senate Amendment to House Amendment (672415) (with title 2 amendment) 3 4 Between lines 4 and 5 5 insert: 6 Section 17. Section 311.25, Florida Statutes, is created to 7 read: 8 311.25 Florida seaports; local ballot initiatives and 9 referendums.— 10 (1) With respect to any port that has received or is 11 eligible to apply for or receive state funding under this 12 chapter, a local ballot initiative or referendum may not 13 restrict maritime commerce in such a port, including, but not 14 limited to, restricting such commerce based on any of the 15 following: 16 (a) Vessel type, size, number, or capacity. 17 (b) Number, origin, nationality, embarkation, or 18 disembarkation of passengers or crew or their entry into this 19 state or any local jurisdiction. 20 (c) Source, type, loading, or unloading of cargo. 21 (d) Environmental or health records of a particular vessel 22 or vessel line. 23 (2) Any local ballot initiative or referendum that is in 24 conflict with subsection (1) and that was adopted before, on, or 25 after July 1, 2021, and any local law, charter amendment, 26 ordinance, resolution, regulation, or policy adopted in such an 27 initiative or referendum, is prohibited, void, and expressly 28 preempted to the state. WAAAYTOOO, JeffB and ChrisK2793 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffB Posted July 1, 2021 Report Share Posted July 1, 2021 I read several of the briefs that were submitted to journalists by the primary supporters of the large cruise ship ban from Key West. Not one of them provided any solid science that the Key West reefs, surrounding waters or environment were threatened by large cruise ships. It was all voodoo science foisted on the Key West public who then thought, yeah, this is bad, ban them! The port and local businesses didn't really get involved until it was too late (their fault). Of course the ban supporters have accused Desantis of paying back a Key West developer who has money in the port for a large contribution he made to the Desantis campaign. Fine. I don't care. That common sense prevailed over a bunch of environmental loonies is good for Key West and good for the state. There is always compromise paths to walk that take inot account the needs of both interests but environmental extremists are a tough lot to deal with and tend to drag along followers who really don't understand what they are getting into. JMO. That's not to say that Cruise lines don't need to be conscious of FL's environmental issues in the barrier reefs and that entire eco-system. I have no doubt that they do care and aren't willing to run afoul of the various regulations, enforced by the USCG designed to portect these sensitive areas. Seaman are a very conscientious lot when it comes to the oceans - of course the garbage and sewage dumping of a miniscule portion of maritime operators get the news. For every 1000 sailings, there may be one that breaks discharge laws. They get caught and suffer large fines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroyr55 Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 Two ships at Key West port today. Azamara and I believe a Crystal cruise ship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuttMutt Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Leroyr55 said: Two ships at Key West port today. Azamara and I believe a Crystal cruise ship? I believe the state over ruled the city and basically ended the law before it could even truly go into effect. So basically the city was told to kick rocks and there will be cruise ships per usual. https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2021/06/30/florida-governor-signs-bill-overrule-key-west-cruise-ship-ban Nathan adams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 The saga continues... https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-faces-critical-decision-cruise-151949428.html DeSantis Faces Critical Decision on Cruise Ships in Key West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Of The Seas Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Can't wax political here, but suffice it to say the permit will be renewed, the Conch Republic will secede from Florida, and a civil war will ensue....... WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzywuzzy Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 On 11/4/2020 at 3:54 PM, WAAAYTOOO said: This is my opinion too. I can take it or leave it. We have been there a few times and I'm very ok with never seeing it again. Agree...we were there once as part of a western Caribbean cruise....I had some conch chowder at a bar and bought a hat. Other than that....meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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