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With Las Vegas opening up this weekend, I'm starting to wonder what will cruise casinos look like when sailing starts?   The few Vegas stories I saw with empty spaces between Slot Machines, tables with 3 people max and Plexiglass between spaces, Plexiglass at craps tables, etc.  Will they be able to do this on ships?  Most casinos in Vegas have enough tables and room to run this way, they just need more dealers.  With the crowding I see in ship casinos, it's going to be interesting if they try some of these safety precautions.  Or the could open without any changes?

It's not a big deal, I'll be happy to just sail.  It just got me thinking with the opening this weekend.  What do you all think?

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I can see since the CDC restriction do not expiring until July, cruise ships taking notes. They will probably watch how Vegas, Disney and other restaurants and theme parks do...then plan their precautions around those. These place also have mandatory mask and lot of buffets/restaurants still closed. Yet the amount of people who flocked there has been pretty amazing. I also heard some casinos have implemented a electrostatic sprayer that mist disinfectant....they would be good for ships

Most lines plan to open with limit capacity just like Vegas, so I can see them limiting the tables and slots as well. They might have the crew members who will be constantly cleaning enforce the rules. Although I have only been on one RCCI ship, I have been on plenty of cruises, the casino is normally the least crowded place on the ship. Maybe that differs with RCCI, but I am sure they will be up for the task.

 

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On 6/6/2020 at 11:44 PM, Ampurp85 said:

I can see since the CDC restriction do not expiring until July, cruise ships taking notes. They will probably watch how Vegas, Disney and other restaurants and theme parks do...then plan their precautions around those. These place also have mandatory mask and lot of buffets/restaurants still closed. Yet the amount of people who flocked there has been pretty amazing. I also heard some casinos have implemented a electrostatic sprayer that mist disinfectant....they would be good for ships

Most lines plan to open with limit capacity just like Vegas, so I can see them limiting the tables and slots as well. They might have the crew members who will be constantly cleaning enforce the rules. Although I have only been on one RCCI ship, I have been on plenty of cruises, the casino is normally the least crowded place on the ship. Maybe that differs with RCCI, but I am sure they will be up for the task.

 

Yes, I was amazed by the amount of people also.  I read about the sprayers also as well as infrared monitors and onsite test kits to make sure you are infected and not just having a temperature. 

As for the cruise crowds on Royal, it depends.   Day time is pretty empty and crowd control would be simple.   Prime time in the evenings the casinos are pretty crowded, especially craps tables and other lower limit tables.  I could see that being an issue.  It has been the same on every RCCI ship that I have been on.

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6 hours ago, USFFrank said:

Not to start an argument with a chosen few, but I for one would like to see (and smell) no smoking and no vaping in the casinos.

This could be an opportunity to test a ban on smoking.   If they're going to require masks, which they could in the Casino, how can you smoke?   I would welcome it but my guess is that they don't want to tick more people off.  

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5 hours ago, tcneal said:

This could be an opportunity to test a ban on smoking.   If they're going to require masks, which they could in the Casino, how can you smoke?   I would welcome it but my guess is that they don't want to tick more people off.  

It wouldn't be a true test...as majority of ppl probably wouldn't cruise if masks were required like that. But you solve both your issues, fewer ppl and fewer smokers. And if you cant take your mask off to smoke, you probably cant take it off to eat or drink(if your wearing a mask to save your life from Covid...lol)

 

Maybe Covid-19 will stay around forever and  you'll get your wish...masks in the casino...oh, and the whole ship...fun fun fun..:92_thumbsdown:

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23 hours ago, Matt said:

This is how casinos looked on day one, but cruise ships are under the kind of government scrutiny that made the McCarthy hearings seem trivial.

 

This is what annoys me so much through this whole process.  How things are done, which gatherings are limited, and how different businesses are treated has been inconsistent and unfair.  I would be thrilled to get back on a ship using the health standards pre-COVID-19.

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1 hour ago, jaredhamburg said:

This is what annoys me so much through this whole process.  How things are done, which gatherings are limited, and how different businesses are treated has been inconsistent and unfair.  I would be thrilled to get back on a ship using the health standards pre-COVID-19.

As many have mentioned before it goes back to the cruise lines being the only thing the CDC has absolute control over. Vegas Casinos are regulated by the Nevada Gaming Comission who reports to Gov. Sisolak. 

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On 6/7/2020 at 8:32 AM, Matt said:

This is how casinos looked on day one, but cruise ships are under the kind of government scrutiny that made the McCarthy hearings seem trivial.

It appears that ALL of the guidelines the big names in Vegas published are just words.  Ive seen many videos including this one and have had friends visit vegas already and there is little to no policing of the policies.  Let us sail again!

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1 hour ago, marti314 said:

It appears that ALL of the guidelines the big names in Vegas published are just words.  Ive seen many videos including this one and have had friends visit vegas already and there is little to no policing of the policies.  Let us sail again!

Not to argue with you but I got to Vegas in June 4th the day they opened I am currently still here and will be for another week.. So here is the deal each casino has different rules. All Caesars owned properties require you to wear a mask while playing table games. Any MGM hotels including Bellagio do not require masks because they put up the plastic plexiglass instead.. Also they have been constantly cleaning the chips offering people sanitizer and social distancing tables and slots. So I don’t know what your friends are talking about lol because trust me I hate the mask but if I want to play at Flamingo I gotta wear it. And let me say this also if people start to crowd the table the pit bosses come over and say step back 6 feet so crowding.. But I do agree if Vegas can open cruises can open. I feel safe in Vegas and I would feel safe on a cruise!

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2 hours ago, AGSLC5 said:

Not to argue with you but I got to Vegas in June 4th the day they opened I am currently still here and will be for another week.. So here is the deal each casino has different rules. All Caesars owned properties require you to wear a mask while playing table games. Any MGM hotels including Bellagio do not require masks because they put up the plastic plexiglass instead.. Also they have been constantly cleaning the chips offering people sanitizer and social distancing tables and slots. So I don’t know what your friends are talking about lol because trust me I hate the mask but if I want to play at Flamingo I gotta wear it. And let me say this also if people start to crowd the table the pit bosses come over and say step back 6 feet so crowding.. But I do agree if Vegas can open cruises can open. I feel safe in Vegas and I would feel safe on a cruise!

That’s precisely why almost all of the footage is from “independent” properties, like the video above is from Cosmo which owned by Blackstone (at least today it’s up for sale and there’s rumors of the tribe who owns the hard rock brand buying it) or down on Freemont in the Boyd or Derek Stevens properties. 

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I am very curious how this casino ordeal will play out. Just picture a hot roulette table on an Oasis class ship right around 9:00pm and you can see that social distance is going to be tough. Personally I am not going to pull my mask off every time I want to take a sip of my drink. Make no mistake about it though, RC will figure this out as a TOP priority. Without the casino revenue they will be screwed. Too much money pours into that casino for them not to be thinking about resolution moving forward. 

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I wonder if there be different compliance models when in a US port and in international waters. E-muster for example. Muster drills take place prior to departure and a plan to keep people apart may appease those scrutinizing. Casino is open only in international waters, so potentially different rules.

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50 minutes ago, Ogilthorpe said:

I wonder if there be different compliance models when in a US port and in international waters. E-muster for example. Muster drills take place prior to departure and a plan to keep people apart may appease those scrutinizing. Casino is open only in international waters, so potentially different rules.

On the one hand, I agree there's a chance for different rules. On the other, the ships still go to ports all around the globe, so I imagine every one of those ports is going to want to know that some consensus measure of "appropriate" precautions are being taken in the casino, just like in the buffet area or other community spaces.

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1 hour ago, tonyfsu21 said:

I am very curious how this casino ordeal will play out. Just picture a hot roulette table on an Oasis class ship right around 9:00pm and you can see that social distance is going to be tough. Personally I am not going to pull my mask off every time I want to take a sip of my drink. Make no mistake about it though, RC will figure this out as a TOP priority. Without the casino revenue they will be screwed. Too much money pours into that casino for them not to be thinking about resolution moving forward. 

In Vegas they have put a limit of four people on a roulette table. Traditional card games are three per table, and 3 to a side for six total on craps. 

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7 minutes ago, JLMoran said:

On the one hand, I agree there's a chance for different rules. On the other, the ships still go to ports all around the globe, so I imagine every one of those ports is going to want to know that some consensus measure of "appropriate" precautions are being taken in the casino, just like in the buffet area or other community spaces.

I think as with emissions standards, the most restrictive regulations win out. RC won’t be able to say, hey we’re in international waters we can do what we want and then come back to a US port like nothing was wrong 

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1 hour ago, Ogilthorpe said:

I wonder if there be different compliance models when in a US port and in international waters. E-muster for example. Muster drills take place prior to departure and a plan to keep people apart may appease those scrutinizing. Casino is open only in international waters, so potentially different rules.

The casino could be open in US waters, it just would require a US gaming license and a slew of taxes that wouldn’t be advantageous. 

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13 hours ago, monctonguy said:

 

It wouldn't be a true test...as majority of ppl probably wouldn't cruise if masks were required like that. But you solve both your issues, fewer ppl and fewer smokers. And if you cant take your mask off to smoke, you probably cant take it off to eat or drink(if your wearing a mask to save your life from Covid...lol)

 

Maybe Covid-19 will stay around forever and  you'll get your wish...masks in the casino...oh, and the whole ship...fun fun fun..:92_thumbsdown:

I totally disagree.  The majority of people?  When cruising starts back up, people will sail, masks or not.  Just look at the Vegas stories, some casinos are requiring masks some are not and they're doing just find.   Disney reservations are selling out quickly and they're requiring masks.  Honestly, if masks are required, I hope the people crying about it find another vacation that will let them be free.   I will be cruising either way.   

As for the smoking, it has never kept me out of a casino but I know people who will not go in because of it.  My guess is that they will gain just as many as they lose.

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6 hours ago, tonyfsu21 said:

I am very curious how this casino ordeal will play out. Just picture a hot roulette table on an Oasis class ship right around 9:00pm and you can see that social distance is going to be tough. Personally I am not going to pull my mask off every time I want to take a sip of my drink. Make no mistake about it though, RC will figure this out as a TOP priority. Without the casino revenue they will be screwed. Too much money pours into that casino for them not to be thinking about resolution moving forward. 

That is what I was curious about.  If they go the route of just glass dividers and smaller tables, do they have enough square footage to accommodate everyone or will there be long waiting lines at each table.   This will seriously hurt their #1 revenue stream.  I'm not pushing my beliefs (I will be there either way) but I think they will lose less money if they require masks and lose the ~10% that will stay away because they don't want to wear a mask.

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9 hours ago, tcneal said:

I totally disagree.  The majority of people?  When cruising starts back up, people will sail, masks or not.     Honestly, if masks are required, I hope the people crying about it find another vacation that will let them be free. 

Not according to the polls here and on other sites...unless everyone here is lying...and that's just from die hard cruisers...….so YES, the majority of people in the USA or Canada or World (whatever you want to insert here) wont be cruising especially if masks were to be required.

 

And no, ppl wont be crying about it.....so you dont need to keep your hopes up about that, but go ahead and tell the majority of ppl here to cry and find another vacation.

 

Good luck drinking, smoking, eating, swimming, getting a tan with a mask on..lmao..unless you enjoy spending all your time in a inside cabin watching TV...but that's not why I cruise nor why most ppl cruise.

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1 hour ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

This is my major concern.  I could live with masks, but not with severe availability limitations.

I don’t think if we see either masks or table  guests limits that it will be a big issue as the number of guests onboard will also be severely limited. So you may go from 6 to 3 on a blackjack table but on an Oasis class ship you may got to 3 or 4 thousand passengers. 

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7 minutes ago, monctonguy said:

Good luck drinking, smoking, eating, swimming, getting a tan with a mask on..lmao..unless you enjoy spending all your time in a inside cabin watching TV...but that's not why I cruise nor why most ppl cruise.

Not sure how you warm you guys are getting north of the border, but we’re finding out quick here in DC that 92 degrees and oppressive humidity don’t mix well with a mask. 

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Just now, Andrew72681 said:

Not sure how you warm you guys are getting north of the border, but we’re finding out quick here in DC that 92 degrees and oppressive humidity don’t mix well with a mask. 

No..not that warm here yet, few days of 85 but not too humid....and yeah, I cant imagine.

 

Point being...its not realistic imho to spend a vacation south on a beach or on a cruise ship if masks are required and not optional.

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Just now, monctonguy said:

No..not that warm here yet, few days of 85 but not too humid....and yeah, I cant imagine.

 

Point being...its not realistic imho to spend a vacation south on a beach or on a cruise ship if masks are required and not optional.

I could see it being required to show up until you are confirmed clean. But then hopefully put it back in your bag. 

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8 minutes ago, monctonguy said:

Not according to the polls here and on other sites...unless everyone here is lying...and that's just from die hard cruisers...….so YES, the majority of people in the USA or Canada or World (whatever you want to insert here) wont be cruising especially if masks were to be required.

 

And no, ppl wont be crying about it.....so you dont need to keep your hopes up about that, but go ahead and tell the majority of ppl here to cry and find another vacation.

 

Good luck drinking, smoking, eating, swimming, getting a tan with a mask on..lmao..unless you enjoy spending all your time in a inside cabin watching TV...but that's not why I cruise nor why most ppl cruise.

Agree. If a mask is required when in a “public area” on the ship this will be a “no go” for many people. Besides being impossible to eat, drink or smoke with a mask on it’s also a hassle and this won’t last long. There is no way to police this effectively on a cruise ship during a vacation where people are looking to let loose. People are over this “pandemic”.

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I do mind smoking/vaping in the casinos. However I may not mind wearing a mask, especially at the blackjack table. Because it always seems to be the dealers up card is a 10 and when he or she turns over their hole card, that always seems to be a 10. If I'm wearing a mask, I could then curse under my breath and no one will know. But the body language...……..I'll have to work on that? 

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37 minutes ago, USFFrank said:

I do mind smoking/vaping in the casinos. However I may not mind wearing a mask, especially at the blackjack table. Because it always seems to be the dealers up card is a 10 and when he or she turns over their hole card, that always seems to be a 10. If I'm wearing a mask, I could then curse under my breath and no one will know. But the body language...……..I'll have to work on that? 

 

41 minutes ago, USFFrank said:

I do mind smoking/vaping in the casinos. However I may not mind wearing a mask, especially at the blackjack table. Because it always seems to be the dealers up card is a 10 and when he or she turns over their hole card, that always seems to be a 10. If I'm wearing a mask, I could then curse under my breath and no one will know. But the body language...……..I'll have to work on that? 

Just don’t give into Negative bias. We all remember the dealer drawing 7 cards to a 21 but forget when that five pops up when we hit the 16. 
17.58 percent of the time the dealer is going to have a 20. Also, even if there’s not a 10 As the down card, they are still going to win that hand 59 percent of the time and push almost 37%, so you really only have about a 4 percent chance of outright winning that hand. 

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15 hours ago, monctonguy said:

Not according to the polls here and on other sites...unless everyone here is lying...and that's just from die hard cruisers...….so YES, the majority of people in the USA or Canada or World (whatever you want to insert here) wont be cruising especially if masks were to be required.

 

And no, ppl wont be crying about it.....so you dont need to keep your hopes up about that, but go ahead and tell the majority of ppl here to cry and find another vacation.

 

Good luck drinking, smoking, eating, swimming, getting a tan with a mask on..lmao..unless you enjoy spending all your time in a inside cabin watching TV...but that's not why I cruise nor why most ppl cruise.

Wow.  Way to exaggerate.  First, I don't think a few polls of people who visit these sites, which represents <1% of the people who cruise is enough to state that this represents the majority.  I don't know if the cruise lines will require a mask policy, but if they do, they have the right.  If anyone doesn't like it, you have the right to stay at home.  But my guess is that people will be flocking back whatever the policy is.   But I could be wrong.  I don't want to speak for the majority when I don't have a clue. 

Second, the premise of this thread was to get opinions on the "CASINO" and how they are going to handle distancing.   Not drinking, smoking, swimming, getting a tan or any other exaggeration that you stated.   Now, if wearing a mask while sitting at a slot machine or a table playing blackjack is stomping on your freedom, then please do stay at home.   We all have different reasons for cruising and again, I can't speak for most people.  But RCL will set the rules.   You can either live with them or not.

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17 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

This is my major concern.  I could live with masks, but not with severe availability limitations.

I agree.  3 people at a table when there aren't a lot tables will be a problem.   And craps tables, which I play the most, can get pretty crowded.  If you take half of the spaces away, it's going to be big problem.  That's why the masks might be a better solution.  You can't police masks throughout the ship and it's probably not necessary outdoors.   But the one place it would be easier to enforce is sitting down at a table in the casino.   If someone doesn't want to wear the mask, then they don't play.

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@tcneal Not to side track but I think the percentages it not <1%. Most pro-cruise articles have been getting their information from here and a few other boards. If you look at the comments under the articles, like 80% of people are not pro-cruise. They think floating petri-dish and focus on the three bad ships. Which leads into how much easier it might be for RCCI to safely accommodate the casino. I cannot say they will have plexiglass, that just seems wasteful. I would imagine favoritism to casino Royale members, social distancing and mask. Oasis at 60% occupancy, would allow for 3 or 4 people at a table. The focus would be on the regulars, not me, who might only spend a few hundred.

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9 hours ago, tcneal said:

Wow.  Way to exaggerate.  First, I don't think a few polls of people who visit these sites, which represents <1% of the people who cruise is enough to state that this represents the majority.  I don't know if the cruise lines will require a mask policy, but if they do, they have the right.  If anyone doesn't like it, you have the right to stay at home.  But my guess is that people will be flocking back whatever the policy is.   But I could be wrong.  I don't want to speak for the majority when I don't have a clue. 

Second, the premise of this thread was to get opinions on the "CASINO" and how they are going to handle distancing.   Not drinking, smoking, swimming, getting a tan or any other exaggeration that you stated.   Now, if wearing a mask while sitting at a slot machine or a table playing blackjack is stomping on your freedom, then please do stay at home.   We all have different reasons for cruising and again, I can't speak for most people.  But RCL will set the rules.   You can either live with them or not.

So....First off..it's a fact that a very small percentage of the US has gone on cruise vacations(or some really low number like that, it was posted here on the blog at some point)....the CEO of Royal even stated about how much room for growth there is. And yes, poll after poll after poll shows a lot of distrust and negative opinions about cruises BEFORE this ever happened. On top of that, I used facts from this site and FB sites and other cruise sites I am on regarding this issue of ppl not wanting to cruise with masks. There is a clear poll on this site for DIE HARD ROYAL cruises that says over half wont cruise with masks...so NO, I didn't exaggerate.

Secondly...telling ppl to go cry if you dont like it.....really?:34_rolling_eyes:

 

And yes, I did go from the Casino experience to stating about wearing a mask the whole cruise..that is not a far jump..in fact most thoughts and comments and posts seem to think either masks will be required everywhere or nowhere...so if your stating masks in the casino will be what we see, then the same will probably be true for everywhere else.

 

Just cause you dont like or agree with my opinion/views/statements doesn't make me wrong or make you any more right than you think you are. Disagree sure, but dont try and belittle or be so condescending about it in the process. Thanks.

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On 6/7/2020 at 12:03 AM, tcneal said:

With Las Vegas opening up this weekend, I'm starting to wonder what will cruise casinos look like when sailing starts?   The few Vegas stories I saw with empty spaces between Slot Machines, tables with 3 people max and Plexiglass between spaces, Plexiglass at craps tables, etc.  Will they be able to do this on ships?  Most casinos in Vegas have enough tables and room to run this way, they just need more dealers.  With the crowding I see in ship casinos, it's going to be interesting if they try some of these safety precautions.  Or the could open without any changes?

It's not a big deal, I'll be happy to just sail.  It just got me thinking with the opening this weekend.  What do you all think?

I could see more tournaments that require registration and offer the ability to control the number of people at each  table.  Maybe less drop in play.  I would agree to a mask or might choose to wear a mask, but I generally go to the casino when it is less crowded.  I am not a big gambler but could see the value  of regular players wanting good playing conditions, hence more reservation-style play.  Just a thought...

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6 minutes ago, ChessE4 said:

I could see more tournaments that require registration and offer the ability to control the number of people at each  table.  Maybe less drop in play.  I would agree to a mask or might choose to wear a mask, but I generally go to the casino when it is less crowded.  I am not a big gambler but could see the value  of regular players wanting good playing conditions, hence more reservation-style play.  Just a thought...

There’s also a much easier way to control table game crowding that everyone keeps missing. I ask floor managers all the time to change a limit on a table to keep the person who is splitting 10’s away. 
So what we might see is more tables that are a 25$ or 50$ minimum and that would certainly cut down on crowding. 

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12 hours ago, monctonguy said:

So....First off..it's a fact that a very small percentage of the US has gone on cruise vacations(or some really low number like that, it was posted here on the blog at some point)....the CEO of Royal even stated about how much room for growth there is. And yes, poll after poll after poll shows a lot of distrust and negative opinions about cruises BEFORE this ever happened. On top of that, I used facts from this site and FB sites and other cruise sites I am on regarding this issue of ppl not wanting to cruise with masks. There is a clear poll on this site for DIE HARD ROYAL cruises that says over half wont cruise with masks...so NO, I didn't exaggerate.

Secondly...telling ppl to go cry if you dont like it.....really?:34_rolling_eyes:

 

And yes, I did go from the Casino experience to stating about wearing a mask the whole cruise..that is not a far jump..in fact most thoughts and comments and posts seem to think either masks will be required everywhere or nowhere...so if your stating masks in the casino will be what we see, then the same will probably be true for everywhere else.

 

Just cause you dont like or agree with my opinion/views/statements doesn't make me wrong or make you any more right than you think you are. Disagree sure, but dont try and belittle or be so condescending about it in the process. Thanks.

Fair enough.   I will try to respond without being condescending.   I started this thread because I wanted peoples opinion and many people answered and feel differently than me, which is OK.  IMO, yours was the only post who seemed to imply that we were crazy to sail under these conditions.   You could have just stated that you wouldn't.   I stated before, I'm giving my opinion and not speaking for anyone.   I would never even suggest that I speak for the "majority" of cruisers.  I believe that is what you did.  You have the right to your opinion, I just had a problem with you implying the majority agrees with you.   I am new to this site but I have been on multiple cruise sites for many years with a lot of passionate people.   But, I recognize we are in the minority of cruisers, not the majority.  Polls on FB and Forums are not an indication of the majority of people.   I concede that it might be an indication of the majority of people who posts on forums.

I admit maybe cry was a little harsh.  But, we all can either sail with whatever rules RCCL come up with or we can stay at home.  I love cruising too much to say I'm done becuase I am asked to where a mask.  It's just my opinion that people posting on boards will not stay at home, but I could be wrong.

And the last point about exaggerating.   Comparing being ask to wear a mask at a blackjack table when you are sitting next to someone closely for a long period of time to having to wear a mask in a tanning bed, IMO, is an exaggeration.  It's fine if you don't think so, we will have to agree to disagree.

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