ShariK Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 Can they cruise if “no sail” order still in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew72681 Posted May 10, 2020 Report Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 hours ago, ShariK said: Can they cruise if “no sail” order still in place? As the CDC is a US agency, they could sail elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 11, 2020 Report Share Posted May 11, 2020 They could sail on cruises that depart out of the US. In addition, the 100 day no sail order can be rescinded at any time through at least 3 different means. So you shouldn't look at it as "written in stone". Deedeelynn, Ogilthorpe, Snotarni and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShariK Posted May 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2020 I have a cruise leaving on June 14 out of the US? Odds on it being canceled??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLMoran Posted May 11, 2020 Report Share Posted May 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, ShariK said: I have a cruise leaving on June 14 out of the US? Odds on it being canceled??? I would say that depends on the port. Right now, Florida and Texas are both in the process of reopening and it's more than possible that they will have the cruise ports open in time. If you're looking at a port like Cape Liberty, Baltimore, or Boston then I would say that the chances are much more slim. The Mid-Atlantic and southernmost New England governors have more or less formed a bloc, and are carefully coordinating to ensure that one state reopening doesn't bring in a flood of people from a neighboring state. And NY / NJ are kind of driving that bloc since they were the hardest hit and still haven't really gotten to a level that's fully safe. Baked Alaska 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK6404 Posted May 11, 2020 Report Share Posted May 11, 2020 2 hours ago, JLMoran said: If you're looking at a port like Cape Liberty, Baltimore, or Boston then I would say that the chances are much more slim. Not listening... don't want to hear it... CruzOnBye, Drewww, WAAAYTOOO and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 11, 2020 Report Share Posted May 11, 2020 I should think once churches, restaurants, colleges, child care centers and schools have been cleared to open then cruising can also resume. Those environments are vastly more risky and likely to lead to virus transmission compared to a cruise ship as determined by the CDC. Using noro modeling as an example of an easily transmissible disease we can draw parallels to COVID-19 transmission. https://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/trends-outbreaks/outbreaks.html The CDC has determined that healthcare facilities are the leading source for noro outbreaks, followed by restaurants then schools, child care centers and universities. By their own determination the CDC has determined that cruise ships "account for a small percentage (1%) of reported norovirus outbreaks overall". Health care facilities, restaurants and schools account for a combined 90.9% of noro outbreaks. Contrast that with cruise ships at 1%. Much like noro we have observed that healthcare facilities are a leading source of transmission of COVID-19. The fact that restaurants and schools were closed around the world indicates that they are recognized as environments that can facilitate the spread of disease. Unlike restaurants and schools they couldn't close healthcare facilities so unfortunately thousands of COVID-19 victims have died in healthcare facilities and the COVID-19 outbreaks and deaths we have observed are consistent with this model, the difference being death vs. mostly discomfort. All of this supports the modeling we see for noro outbreaks can be followed in general terms for COVID-19. Restaurants are beginning to re-open. First in a scaled back fashion designed to counter just how risky they are (22.1 % of all outbreaks). So it stands to reason that if schools and day care can open (6.1% of all outbreaks) and the risk of COVID-19 has been determined to be low enough for schools and day care to open, then cruise ships can also resume operation safely (1% of all outbreaks). In fact if restaurants can open close to the former operating standards and that is determined to be low or acceptable risk then it stands to reason that cruise ships can open before schools. While cruise ships have been singled out and receive a lot of press during both noro and COVID-19 outbreaks, the CDC's own statistics prove how much safer cruise ships are in general terms with much lower risk associated with them. RCIfan1912, Bean79, KristiZ and 9 others 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean79 Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 13 hours ago, twangster said: I should think once churches, restaurants, colleges, child care centers and schools have been cleared to open then cruising can also resume. Those environments are vastly more risky and likely to lead to virus transmission compared to a cruise ship as determined by the CDC. Using noro modeling as an example of an easily transmissible disease we can draw parallels to COVID-19 transmission. https://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/trends-outbreaks/outbreaks.html The CDC has determined that healthcare facilities are the leading source for noro outbreaks, followed by restaurants then schools, child care centers and universities. By their own determination the CDC has determined that cruise ships "account for a small percentage (1%) of reported norovirus outbreaks overall". Health care facilities, restaurants and schools account for a combined 90.9% of noro outbreaks. Contrast that with cruise ships at 1%. Much like noro we have observed that healthcare facilities are a leading source of transmission of COVID-19. The fact that restaurants and schools were closed around the world indicates that they are recognized as environments that can facilitate the spread of disease. Unlike restaurants and schools they couldn't close healthcare facilities so unfortunately thousands of COVID-19 victims have died in healthcare facilities and the COVID-19 outbreaks and deaths we have observed are consistent with this model, the difference being death vs. mostly discomfort. All of this supports the modeling we see for noro outbreaks can be followed in general terms for COVID-19. Restaurants are beginning to re-open. First in a scaled back fashion designed to counter just how risky they are (22.1 % of all outbreaks). So it stands to reason that if schools and day care can open (6.1% of all outbreaks) and the risk of COVID-19 has been determined to be low enough for schools and day care to open, then cruise ships can also resume operation safely (1% of all outbreaks). In fact if restaurants can open close to the former operating standards and that is determined to be low or acceptable risk then it stands to reason that cruise ships can open before schools. While cruise ships have been singled out and receive a lot of press during both noro and COVID-19 outbreaks, the CDC's own statistics prove how much safer cruise ships are in general terms with much lower risk associated with them. I just wish the Main stream media would report facts like this!! Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 I definitely agree that schools and colleges are a good barometer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo2slick Posted May 12, 2020 Report Share Posted May 12, 2020 They are talking about IF they open our schools this year for 20-21 school year, it might be virtual school. Im in Oklahoma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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