737 Captain Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 Has any cruse line thought of a cruise from a US port out to open waters for a few days then return to the same departure port? How would Customs & CDC handle this. I would be willing to take a cruise like this not entering any other countries waters. Your thoughts Capt. Ken Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBRSKI Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 Sign Me Up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew72681 Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 The problem is the Passenger Vessel Services Act It doesn’t allow for foreign registered ships to travel exclusively between US ports. They have to make a stop at a foreign port. it’s the same for foreign airplanes. That’s what we have very few “fifth freedom” routes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 Yeah it's a matter of cabotage and it's not allowed. I don't think the CDC is concerned about picking up the virus in a foreign land. The CDC is concerned that social distancing is difficult in places like churches, schools, sporting events, music concerts and cruise ships. In these places it's easy to someone who is asymptomatic (has no signs of being infected) but who is infected to pass the virus along to an otherwise healthy person. GrandmaAirplane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L454S Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Yet we still operate airlines and get in a "tube" for hours with other people. That is how this spread around the world, and continues to be. Matt31 and Zambia-Zaire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWofPerth Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, L454S said: Yet we still operate airlines and get in a "tube" for hours with other people. That is how this spread around the world, and continues to be. Here in Australia, thankfully all non-essential domestic travel via aeroplane is effectively banned, and no international visitors are allowed in. My state of Western Australia won't even allowing anyone in by car from interstate, without an appropriate exemption. These measures are strict, and they have been working. As for cruise ships, forget about it. There have been multiple instances now of Covid-19 spreading like wildfire on cruise ships. I can't contemplate why anyone would want to get on one right now. As much as we all love cruising, now is the time to exercise some patience, weather the storm, and look forward to a day when the Covid cloud is lifted, whenever that may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L454S Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, KWofPerth said: Here in Australia, thankfully all non-essential domestic travel via aeroplane is effectively banned, and no international visitors are allowed in. My state of Western Australia won't even allowing anyone in by car from interstate, without an appropriate exemption. These measures are strict, and they have been working. As for cruise ships, forget about it. There have been multiple instances now of Covid-19 spreading like wildfire on cruise ships. I can't contemplate why anyone would want to get on one right now. As much as we all love cruising, now is the time to exercise some patience, weather the storm, and look forward to a day when the Covid cloud is lifted, whenever that may be. Over here , they still define air travel as essential. Even issued bail out money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCIfan1912 Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 I would do a cruise to nowhere in a heartbeat. To me the ship is the destination but our hard headed Gov will never allow it because of some odd obscure law from a hundred years ago. KWofPerth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisneyCruiserGoneRCL Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 I wish all of my cruises were to nowhere, though my wife prefers port heavy itineraries. Chadster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcBerger Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 I did that in summer of 1988 ( I was 8 years old) on the Queen Elizabeth II, we left NYC for NOVA SCOTIA and back. Something short in between their normal transatlantic sailings! Ogilthorpe, WAAAYTOOO and RCIfan1912 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogilthorpe Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 I recognize that the PVSA has been in effect for a long time, but I recall seeing "Cruise to Nowhere" options in Cruise Catalogs in the past. I wonder if there was a time in the past 20 years or so that there was a waiver available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 If you are a US registered vessel you can do a cruise to nowhere. It’s just that it’s waaaytoo expensive an regulations-onerous to be a US flagged vessel ! Neesa, Ogilthorpe and RCIfan1912 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pima1988 Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 I think I need to change my name to WAAAYTOOLLD . I know for a fact I did a cruise to nowhere out of NYC back in the mid 80s, I want to say it was Carnival. We did this right before we went back to college in the summer. Went up to Cape Cod, did not dock, came back to NYC. It was cheaper than renting a hotel room at the Jersey shore for the weekend! WAAAYTOOO and Ogilthorpe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogilthorpe Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pima1988 said: I think I need to change my name to WAAAYTOOLLD . I know for a fact I did a cruise to nowhere out of NYC back in the mid 80s, I want to say it was Carnival. We did this right before we went back to college in the summer. Went up to Cape Cod, did not dock, came back to NYC. It was cheaper than renting a hotel room at the Jersey shore for the weekend! That may have been what I was remembering ... the 80s ... has it really been that long!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pima1988 Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Yep it has been @Ogilthorpe I want to say I did that cruise in 86, maybe 87? Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Here's a story from 2015 from Travel Weekly, talking about the fact that the cruise lines stopped doing "cruises to nowhere" from U.S. ports in 2016. https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Customs-says-cruises-to-nowhere-were-never-legal RCIfan1912 and Ogilthorpe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCIfan1912 Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Chadster said: Here's a story from 2015 from Travel Weekly, talking about the fact that the cruise lines stopped doing "cruises to nowhere" from U.S. ports in 2016. https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Customs-says-cruises-to-nowhere-were-never-legal I remember this. That is the first time I heard about that weird obscure law that ships can't leave a US port and return without stopping in a foreign port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennGlenn Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 11 hours ago, KWofPerth said: Here in Australia, thankfully all non-essential domestic travel via aeroplane is effectively banned, and no international visitors are allowed in. My state of Western Australia won't even allowing anyone in by car from interstate, without an appropriate exemption. These measures are strict, and they have been working. As for cruise ships, forget about it. There have been multiple instances now of Covid-19 spreading like wildfire on cruise ships. I can't contemplate why anyone would want to get on one right now. As much as we all love cruising, now is the time to exercise some patience, weather the storm, and look forward to a day when the Covid cloud is lifted, whenever that may be. Your assumption is that we as individuals may be able to weather this storm, BUT what about the cruise lines, RC, Carnival and Norwegian?? Now that the 100 Day order from the CDC is in place, its looking worse. KWofPerth and MarcBerger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennGlenn Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said: If you are a US registered vessel you can do a cruise to nowhere. It’s just that it’s waaaytoo expensive an regulations-onerous to be a US flagged vessel ! Not true. Entirely depends on the crew as well and their Visa status. If they are D1 Visa holders, no matter the ship, they have NOT departed the US from a port if they just go nowhere. They have to go to another foreign port. Its different if they are an all American crew or a permanent resident crew. Immigration Law is in play here as well. WAAAYTOOO and MarcBerger 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Even US flagged vessels can't always do cruises to nowhere if they venture out of territorial water (INTL). I recall a new gambling venture in SC that tried this. The theory was once in INTL waters they could gamble for a few hours then return. Didn't work out so well for them. It's way more complex than "If US flagged then can do nowhere cruise". The gambling ships always trying to use loopholes just illustrates how the US gov't can't just allow it for cruise ships. There is always some business looking for loopholes to exploit. Laws are not written to the few exceptions. They are all encompassing. For every loophole there will be someone trying to use it for profit. The PVSA doesn't state "cruise ships" rather any vessel carrying passengers. Laws are kept broad to avoid some entrepreneur from finding and exploiting a loophole. MarcBerger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCIfan1912 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Man it would be fun and I would do this in a heartbeat, Oasis from NJ out to the middle of the Atlantic towards England and then come home or go out to the very spot Titanic sank. Ok, maybe that is eerie to some but as Titanic nut that has fascinated with the story since I was 10 years old. That would be really cool to me anyway. MarcBerger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pima1988 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, RCIfan1912 said: Titanic nut that has fascinated with the story since I was 10 years old. Now we know why your moniker has 1912 in it. Ogilthorpe and RCIfan1912 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCIfan1912 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Pima1988 said: Now we know why your moniker has 1912 in it. You got me, yes. Ha so funny you put that together. Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogilthorpe Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 21 hours ago, Chadster said: Here's a story from 2015 from Travel Weekly, talking about the fact that the cruise lines stopped doing "cruises to nowhere" from U.S. ports in 2016. https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Customs-says-cruises-to-nowhere-were-never-legal Thank you. I was thinking that I was imagining some of the previous 'cruise to nowhere' offerings, or at the very least, time had gotten away from me. So, no waivers, just not a lot of enforcement until someone pushed it and ruined it for everyone. RCIfan1912 and Pima1988 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCIfan1912 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ogilthorpe said: Thank you. I was thinking that I was imagining some of the previous 'cruise to nowhere' offerings, or at the very least, time had gotten away from me. So, no waivers, just not a lot of enforcement until someone pushed it and ruined it for everyone. Isn't that always how it goes? Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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