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10 hours ago, AshleyDillo said:

Read your insurance policy documents. You would be surprised how difficult it is to get your situation to fit into one of the reasons that they DO cover.  The doctor letter would have to be written in a specific way to match the policy language to qualify for coverage.

Since my husband is 75 and has a serious progressive lung disease and his specialist and the CDC say don’t go We intend to make a claim. I am sure they will scrutinize it carefully. We have read the policy carefully and printed off the form for the doctor and I don’t see why it wouldn’t pay. It’s a legitimate claim. We were scheduled to be on a 12 night TA and now no way can we cross the Atlantic without access to a lung hospital just in case. My husband’s life is worth more than a cruise!  

BTW we are D+ members and have never canceled a cruise before so this is very disappointing for us. 
We appreciate the future cruise credit RCCL is offering but who knows if we will ever be able to use it now. 
I just wish our London Hotel and airline would follow suit. It has been a nightmare. 

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We're scheduled for 4/26 and have no intentions of cancelling.

Remember - virii tend to die as it gets warmer.  The flu is practically non-existent in warm climes, 

and here's hoping that will happen with this one.  

I'm not sure why the govt is so hyped about this; even if most people do get it, it's just being sick.  

Now, if I was much older than my present 58 years, and had health issues and/or a compromised 

immune system, that would be a horse of a different colour.

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42 minutes ago, Mljstr said:

We appreciate the future cruise credit RCCL is offering but who knows if we will ever be able to use it now.

I hope it works out for you.  Just remember if you get a denial at first you can always appeal.  Because Royal is offering the future cruise credit, sometimes the insurance companies will try to use that to not not pay out the claim.  

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56 minutes ago, Floski said:

We're scheduled for 4/26 and have no intentions of cancelling.

Remember - virii tend to die as it gets warmer.  The flu is practically non-existent in warm climes, 

and here's hoping that will happen with this one.  

I'm not sure why the govt is so hyped about this; even if most people do get it, it's just being sick.  

Now, if I was much older than my present 58 years, and had health issues and/or a compromised 

immune system, that would be a horse of a different colour.

 With respect....I hate to burst your bubble but warm climates also have viral illness and some of them are deadly...If people actually look into the makeup of covid19 they may be surprised to learn its DNA changes and mutates with each individual that catches it therefore it is one of the reasons it is so dangerous...Many people will catch it and be fine also some people will be seriously ill.... I think your Govt is being responsible with its warnings and everyone who decides for themselves are now basically informed of the risk of being stranded without being allowed back into port .Really this storm will pass soon enough and I hope everyone stays safe,,,, after all our lives and health are precious

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1 hour ago, AshleyDillo said:

I hope it works out for you.  Just remember if you get a denial at first you can always appeal.  Because Royal is offering the future cruise credit, sometimes the insurance companies will try to use that to not not pay out the claim.  

I just re-read the policy and now I believe you are correct. The policy pays "IN CASH the otherwise non-refundable value of the unused portion of your prepaid cruise vacation." Since RCCL is now refunding 100% as a cruise credit, I am sure it will not refund the cash. Thanks for pointing that out.

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I know everyone makes their own decision but interested what people sailing mid april are thinking. 

I really have no fear of getting it but the quarantine idea scares me. And worrying my daughters school maybe gets freaked out when we come back and force her to quarantine. And I dont look forward to the judgemental looks from friends or coworkers. It's just a flu...and I'm a healthcare worker watching our hospital turn to panic mode and im still not worried. I got H1N1 when it went around and am very much here to tell the tale. Everyone on the ships say it's totally fine and I trust that....just wish it fixed itself. Like either cancel them all or continue with business as usual. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Marlena said:

I know everyone makes their own decision but interested what people sailing mid april are thinking. 

I really have no fear of getting it but the quarantine idea scares me. And worrying my daughters school maybe gets freaked out when we come back and force her to quarantine. And I dont look forward to the judgemental looks from friends or coworkers. It's just a flu...and I'm a healthcare worker watching our hospital turn to panic mode and im still not worried. I got H1N1 when it went around and am very much here to tell the tale. Everyone on the ships say it's totally fine and I trust that....just wish it fixed itself. Like either cancel them all or continue with business as usual. 

 

Same here.  I have no fear at all of catching it, but, I don't want to be hauled off to a military base for 14 days.  That right now is the only thing stopping me from my May cruise.  

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2 minutes ago, Marlena said:

I know everyone makes their own decision but interested what people sailing mid april are thinking. 

I really have no fear of getting it but the quarantine idea scares me. And worrying my daughters school maybe gets freaked out when we come back and force her to quarantine. And I dont look forward to the judgemental looks from friends or coworkers. It's just a flu...and I'm a healthcare worker watching our hospital turn to panic mode and im still not worried. I got H1N1 when it went around and am very much here to tell the tale. Everyone on the ships say it's totally fine and I trust that....just wish it fixed itself. Like either cancel them all or continue with business as usual. 

 

My wife is an RN, and we have discussed this with our group, at length. We are sailing on April 04 and, to quote her, "theres no way we are canceling." Thats not to say she/we feel that everyone should have such an attitude toward it.  If you have a compromised immune system, respiratory issues, and are of advanced age....you should have concerns, just as you should have been concerned of other potential risks. For us, in our 40s, in good health....and our children, also in good health, we have little concern of the actual virus.  We have more concern over peoples reaction to it resulting in missed ports (if that happens, oh well) or someone coming down with norovirus or influenza and it resulting in a quarantine (inconvenient at worst).

My heart does go out to those affected and losing loved ones, same as it does for anyone losing someone for any reason.  

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8 minutes ago, SteveinSC said:

My wife is an RN, and we have discussed this with our group, at length. We are sailing on April 04 and, to quote her, "theres no way we are canceling." Thats not to say she/we feel that everyone should have such an attitude toward it.  If you have a compromised immune system, respiratory issues, and are of advanced age....you should have concerns, just as you should have been concerned of other potential risks. For us, in our 40s, in good health....and our children, also in good health, we have little concern of the actual virus.  We have more concern over peoples reaction to it resulting in missed ports (if that happens, oh well) or someone coming down with norovirus or influenza and it resulting in a quarantine (inconvenient at worst).

My heart does go out to those affected and losing loved ones, same as it does for anyone losing someone for any reason.  

May I ask how her dept feels about her going on a cruise? Have they mentioned anything about not being able to work after?

We are in quebec canada. And as of right now we only have 3 /4 confirmed cases. 

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Personally, I would be as concerned about traveling to and from the cruise as I would be cruising. As with any viral outbreak attached to cruises, somebody travelling through airports, on airplanes, taking Ubers, taxis and airport shuttles brought that virus onboard. It didn't start on the ship and won't end there if people are irresponsible and don't take basic health care precautions.

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13 minutes ago, Marlena said:

May I ask how her dept feels about her going on a cruise? Have they mentioned anything about not being able to work after?

We are in quebec canada. And as of right now we only have 3 /4 confirmed cases. 

If they feel any way about it, they havent voiced those concerns with her.  

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12 minutes ago, Rene Desmarais said:

so what's the current CDC/Government protocol for after a cruise?     

I honestly don't think they will put all cruisers coming off the ship to serve a 14 days quarantine cycle..   just curious

 

 

 

 

As of now they are only putting people in quarantine if someone on the ship tests positivce for the virus.

The scary part is, it only takes 1 person to test positive for the entire 5,000 people to be put in quarantine.  

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16 minutes ago, Marlena said:

It's frustrating because they have such negatives to say about cruising. Yet if we were going to disney for the week I feel like they would think too much about it.

I am a big Disney person.  I am a DVC member, passholder and I am usually at Disney world once a month. (was there last week)

I think the reason why they are going after the cruise industry is because of the confined space.  Person gets it on the boat it stays on the boat. 

Where as Disney, YES a person has it and can spread it around, its more open aired.  Well that's my opinion anyway.  

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Just now, mark52479 said:

I think the reason why they are going after the cruise industry is because of the confined space.  Person gets it on the boat it stays on the boat

Which is EXACTLY why quarantining everyone onboard by keeping them onboard is the WORST possible reaction - everyone stays in CLOSER proximity to the virus for a longer period of time.

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have you guys heard that after the meeitng with Pence cruise ships said they would very soon come out with other ways to protect clients. i read about evacuating sick people right away etc.  Its been said that quarantine is a bad idea and does more damage. so if they would just evacuate the sick and not penalise everyone else it would solve that quarantine fear. we are cruising on the 19 april from san juan and this quarantine is what bugs us because we have kids.   

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1 minute ago, gi333 said:

have you guys heard that after the meeitng with Pence cruise ships said they would very soon come out with other ways to protect clients. i read about evacuating sick people right away etc.  Its been said that quarantine is a bad idea and does more damage. so if they would just evacuate the sick and not penalise everyone else it would solve that quarantine fear. we are cruising on the 19 april from san juan and this quarantine is what bugs us because we have kids.   

The problem with COVID-19 is that the infected person becomes contagious even before becoming symptomatic.  There's no way of knowing who they infected before they became sick so the quarantine issue is not out of the picture.

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14 minutes ago, mark52479 said:

Where as Disney, YES a person has it and can spread it around, its more open aired.  Well that's my opinion anyway.  

Although it is open aired as you say. Anyone who has waited in cue, shoulder to shoulder with strangers, for an hour or more for Space Mountain probably are at the same risk as any cruise.

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1 minute ago, FManke said:

Although it is open aired as you say. Anyone who has waited in cue, shoulder to shoulder with strangers, for an hour or more for Space Mountain probably are at the same risk as any cruise.

To add this also goes for any concert, sporting event, sold out movie, etc, etc, etc.

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41 minutes ago, FManke said:

Although it is open aired as you say. Anyone who has waited in cue, shoulder to shoulder with strangers, for an hour or more for Space Mountain probably are at the same risk as any cruise.

And touching the same hand rail in any ride which changes passengers every 3 min. A ship is disinfected countless times a day....all this to say... I'm annoyed! Lol

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1 minute ago, Marlena said:

And touching the same hand rail in any ride which changes passengers every 3 min. A ship is disinfected countless times a day....all this to say... I'm annoyed! Lol

I'm sure places like Disney are ramping up their efforts as well. I just don't know why the news seems to be focusing on the cruise industry like it has. All public places should be under continued scrutiny.  If anybody contracted Covid-19 at Disney, we might never find out. They like to keep that stuff quiet, like no one is allowed to be pronounced dead on Disney properties. It's not good for the image of "the Happiest Place On Earth!"

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2 hours ago, Mljstr said:

I just re-read the policy and now I believe you are correct. The policy pays "IN CASH the otherwise non-refundable value of the unused portion of your prepaid cruise vacation." Since RCCL is now refunding 100% as a cruise credit, I am sure it will not refund the cash. Thanks for pointing that out.

I have read of folks having success arguing this if they can get a doctor's note that they are no longer fit for this kind of travel and won't be by the time the FCC would expire.  

I think folks that are expecting travel insurance to kick in if they self-cancel are going to be surprised that the new Cruise with Confidence policy may affect any cash payout they thought they deserved from their insurance coverage.  From the side of the insurance company they feel a credit equivalence is making someone whole. 

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2 hours ago, mark52479 said:

The scary part is, it only takes 1 person to test positive for the entire 5,000 people to be put in quarantine.  

THIS.  Also, consider the situation with the Grand Princess, nobody knew until a passenger on the previous sailing passed away days after disembarkation.  Now passengers on the current cruise are infected.  

It's a huge risk to be cruising at the moment, IMO.  Even if you're not considered elderly, nor have a compromised immune system, you could potentially pass it on to someone that is when you return.

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Life is all about risk management. If I were in my 20's or 30's and healthy I would probably take advantage of the current and coming cruise bargains. However I am 61 and a diabetic. My wife is 68 years old. The mortality rate for someone my age with diabetes who get the coronus virus is 7.2% vs the overall rate of 3.4%.

With a cruise ship being a giant petri dish I believe you have a much greater chance of catching the virus due to the close quarters should a fellow passenger have it. With that in mind my risk management assessment says my wife and myself need to not cruise until this pandemic subsides. Thankfully our next cruise isn't until the beginning of December so hopefully things will be better then. However our 40th wedding anniversary trip to England in August is worrisome at this point.

I fully support the Federal government warning people about the increased danger of catching the coronovirus on cruise ships. Hopefully in coordination with the CDC the cruise lines can put some good screening measures in place that at the least includes temperature checks before boarding and ideally as test kits become available testing of passengers (not sure if that is feasible unless the test is an instant one). I know at least one cruise line is screening passengers for fever. That is a limited measure though because it appears coronovirus has a 2 to 5 day period after infection before fever and other symptoms.

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We relented and cancelled our cruise for this Thursday...  it was a tough decision, but follow-on events made it a little easier.  We'll be with some elderly relatives next weekend and decided to be safe.  We figured we could last until our May cruise on Oasis...  hoping Corona is past and opening by then.  

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49 minutes ago, FManke said:

I'm sure places like Disney are ramping up their efforts as well. I just don't know why the news seems to be focusing on the cruise industry like it has. All public places should be under continued scrutiny.  If anybody contracted Covid-19 at Disney, we might never find out. They like to keep that stuff quiet, like no one is allowed to be pronounced dead on Disney properties. It's not good for the image of "the Happiest Place On Earth!"

Actually, just last week unfortunately a female committed suicide at Disney World.  Was all over the local news.  But your right it did NOT make national headlines.  

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1 hour ago, gi333 said:

 i read about evacuating sick people right away etc.  Its been said that quarantine is a bad idea and does more damage. so if they would just evacuate the sick and not penalise everyone else it would solve that quarantine fear. 

Evacuating people would be ideal; but, I'm not so sure that would be practical. People may be getting evacuated numerous times a day, which would place undue strain on the system. So although that sound good; I personally don't think it practical. Unfortunately, quarantine is probably the best course of action, until test results returns of those suspected & game plan can be soundly implemented.

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6 minutes ago, gi333 said:

and now fighting with travel insurance company. they dont cover if the country you are going to is not on the list of goverment advisory. but a cruise is not a country .... Now i have to fight this.

Why since RCCL is giving full credit if you don't want to go.....just cancel and schedule another one?

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we are supposed to cruise from 19 to 26 apr from san juan. ou return flight is 26 apr and we are goin there th 13 apr. because of this we have to change our plan and will cost us more money to return early or get a condo for second week.     thats why i am fighting with my travel insurrance. i am not blaming rccl because they are nice enought to give credit. 

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