Baked Alaska Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, twangster said: For context, the NCL Sun aborted her approach an hour before and skipped Cozumel. She got pretty close to the shallow water nearly running over the anchor buoys used by local excursion boats. The anchor buoys were in her prop wash. She collected herself and decided to move on. So, I'm missing something that is probably very obvious. Why did the NCL Sun abort her approach an hour before? Was something else going on that she new to move on that Carvinal Legend and Glory (and Oasis) didn't know about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Baked Alaska said: So, I'm missing something that is probably very obvious. Why did the NCL Sun abort her approach an hour before? Was something else going on that she new to move on that Carvinal Legend and Glory (and Oasis) didn't know about? The Sun may have been tendering. She may have decided it was too rough for tenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, YOLO said: @twangster Thanks for your great pics. Was the Legend tied up during the collision? It looks that way in your pics, but I find the video confusing. The Legend had been in place for some time, an hour or more before the collision. YOLO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandstromCruise Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 Thanks for keeping Oasis safe @twangster I’m on her in 2 weeks and when I first heard this it said Oasis was hit as well and I was not happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Martin Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) This was definitely not an event I expected to wake up to or see out my balcony window this morning. Legend has just sailed off so they dont seem to be in tremendous trouble. Hopefully the Glory is able to finish off her cruise. Edited December 20, 2019 by Bill Martin Didn't finish my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditchdoc Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 I question what went wrong that this ship was out of control? RCCL has used dynamic positioning for 10 years since voyager class. Push a button and the ship stays put. This Carnival ship depends on two screws, rudder and bow thrusters ... A much less accurate control system. 17 mph winds probably played a part but it does not excuse poor seamanship. SpeedNoodles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted December 21, 2019 Report Share Posted December 21, 2019 23 hours ago, Cez said: who's responsible for that ? Captain or pilot ? Apparently some lawyer in the US has said that its carnivals own fault and they should be held accountable, as both captain and pilot used to do this type of thing when they were children playing in the bathtub with rubber boats. coneyraven, SpeedNoodles, Jjohnb and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flacruiser99 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/20/2019 at 11:58 AM, Cez said: who's responsible for that ? Captain or pilot ? The Captain is the Master of the vessel. He is the only one responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroBeta Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Flacruiser99 said: The Captain is the Master of the vessel. He is the only one responsible. That may not not quite true...at least not in the US. I'll have to look it up but I believe maritime law on this is the same everywhere. The captain is always in command of and responsible for his vessel. However, the captain turns over navigation duties, and thus the responsibility, to the pilot. And, there's a very good reason for that. The Harbor/Docking Pilot is the expert in local navigation; navigation that can change based on time of year, weather, traffic, etc. When on board the navigation crew must follow the commands of the Pilot. This is why the Harbor or Docking Pilot is legally liable/responsible for any mishaps or injuries that result as a result of their duties. The captain can relieve the pilot for being impaired or incompetent but he had better be absolutely sure prior to doing so. When I was in the Navy the Harbor Pilot came on board from a tug and had navigational control of our submarine. I can't see how that would be different today. Of course, I've been wrong before. Mike WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Here’s Captain Johnny’s opinion: IRMO12HD and The Cruise Junkie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroBeta Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 That's true. The captain always has command of his ship...even when the Pilot is on board. The Pilot is only responsible for navigation...a responsibility that the captain can relieve the Pilot of. At least that's how it works in the US. I'm not sure how those laws work internationally. http://www.americanpilots.org/document_center/Perils_of_Piloting_Civil_Liability_and_Criminal_Prosecution.pdf Mike teddy and Flacruiser99 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceC Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/20/2019 at 1:12 PM, twangster said: I understand based on news reports one passenger on the Glory was injured. Thoughts and prayers for that individual. Here is the video I shot from my balcony on Oasis. Despite the collision with the Legend, the bridge crew on the Glory did a pretty spectacular job avoiding a collision with the Oasis. When I first saw the bow of the Glory come into view it was close. Too close. It occured to me a collision was highly possible. As I was shooting the video I was keeping an eye on the stern of Glory. It was getting closer. I knew they couldn't apply a lot of stern thrust to keep the stern off us without driving the bow into the bow of Oasis. As the bow of Glory began to clear the bow of Oasis I could see them apply stern thrust to avoid impact. It was a tight near miss and excellent seamanship on their part to avoid a second collision. The wide angle lens is misleading. The people on Glory were close. I could have tossed them a bottle of water. WOW,,,, Great video @twangster, How close of a distance did the Glory actually come from the Oasis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceC Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Does anyone know if Maritime Attorney (Ship Chaser) Michael Winkleman has reached out to all the passenger on the Glory yet..... LMAO..... Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogilthorpe Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, VinceC said: Does anyone know if Maritime Attorney (Ship Chaser) Michael Winkleman has reached out to all the passenger on the Glory yet..... LMAO..... Based on his previous exploits, there is an unconfirmed report that he arrived at the dock just ahead of the Glory on her second attempt IRMO12HD and VinceC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, VinceC said: WOW,,,, Great video @twangster, How close of a distance did the Glory actually come from the Oasis? Where I was near the forward elevator lobby the Glory was just a little closer than it would be across a pier. Near the bow it came closer which you can't see from my angle. Ogilthorpe, VinceC and IRMO12HD 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTLH Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Think anyone will notice... JohnK6404, Jjohnb, Ogilthorpe and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroBeta Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, CGTLH said: Think anyone will notice... A little spackle and some paint and it's good as new. Jjohnb, sk8erguy1978, coneyraven and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyraven Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, CGTLH said: Think anyone will notice... It should buff right out. Better get some of that Flex-Seal tape Jjohnb, monctonguy, Ogilthorpe and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8erguy1978 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, CGTLH said: Think anyone will notice... It's like the color tape on a brake light! Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonCruiser Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CGTLH said: Think anyone will notice... Notice what? Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Actually, that cleaned up rather nicely (not to mention, quickly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted December 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 The pilot never controls the ship. He gives spoken directions to be carried out by navigation crew. A good friend of mine is a pilot at the port in Jacksonville. He’s carried out to the container ships via tugboat to board the vessel then directs it through the channel of the St Johns River. These pilots know the currents and under water topography to safely guide these ships to port. Pretty amazing to see his drawings of the bottom of the river that he had to do for his exams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thman Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/20/2019 at 10:00 AM, SpeedNoodles said: I'm confused. According to ShipMate, the Glory was arriving in Coz at 10am today. Doesn't it look like it was leaving? It's a hit and run!! Would you want to explain to the authorities that you just got your pilot's license out of a Cracker Jack box yesterday? SpeedNoodles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thman Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/20/2019 at 10:12 AM, twangster said: The wide angle lens is misleading. The people on Glory were close. I could have tossed them a bottle of water. Maybe something stronger like a bottle of Vodka! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CGTLH said: Think anyone will notice... I have to wonder how that bed sheet is going to do in the winds that are often experienced at sea. Ogilthorpe and WAAAYTOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyraven Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, twangster said: I have to wonder how that bed sheet is going to do in the winds that are often experienced at sea. Bungee Cords ..... that'll hold it together. Ogilthorpe and sk8erguy1978 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Courtesy of the Johnson and Johnson company. JohnK6404, Poolside, Baked Alaska and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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