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I'm sure this all happened very quickly.  Being put immediately on the defense and in that split second afterwards, he probably jumped directly to "...it wasn't my fault.  I had no idea the window was open."  Once you pronounce your "alibi" you are kinda stuck with it.  I'm sure the grandfather didn't consider that there would be security cameras recording every moment.

I don't see how the family or the attorney can possibly move forward with the idea that Royal is somehow responsible for this.  It would seem that the only logical move now would be for the grandfather to accept the plea deal....if, in fact, it is still on the table after this video has leaked.  If he doesn't, he's goin' down...

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6 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

I'm sure this all happened very quickly.  Being put immediately on the defense and in that split second afterwards, he probably jumped directly to "...it wasn't my fault.  I had no idea the window was open."  Once you pronounce your "alibi" you are kinda stuck with it.  I'm sure the grandfather didn't consider that there would be security cameras recording every moment.

I don't see how the family or the attorney can possibly move forward with the idea that Royal is somehow responsible for this.  It would seem that the only logical move now would be for the grandfather to accept the plea deal....if, in fact, it is still on the table after this video has leaked.  If he doesn't, he's goin' down...

Wait for it...  Mistrial.  Evidence leaked, not possible for a fair trial now, the jury pool is tainted.

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The family is grieving.  Blaming the grandfather puts a lot of pressure on their support system; blaming a corporation allows them to bond together in grief against an outside entity.  Also, if mom and dad blame the grandfather, they have to realize that they were the ones who asked him to watch her.  I am not saying that this is right-I just think it explains why they are defending the grandfather.  I will confess that I did not watch the video, but I have been of the opinion from the beginning that the cruise line is not at fault for the various reasons espoused in various posts here.  

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13 minutes ago, Fairlynew said:

The family is grieving.  Blaming the grandfather puts a lot of pressure on their support system; blaming a corporation allows them to bond together in grief against an outside entity.  Also, if mom and dad blame the grandfather, they have to realize that they were the ones who asked him to watch her.  I am not saying that this is right-I just think it explains why they are defending the grandfather.  I will confess that I did not watch the video, but I have been of the opinion from the beginning that the cruise line is not at fault for the various reasons espoused in various posts here.  

I thought that at first.  However putting myself in their shoes for a moment. 

The father is a police officer.  He has seen his share of family drama as a cop.  Now he has seen this evidence.  That changes everything.  

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7 minutes ago, twangster said:

if mom and dad blame the grandfather, they have to realize that they were the ones who asked him to watch her.

It was obvious that he was doing a good job watching her and following her everywhere but made a terrible decision to put her on the reeling. Horrible accident at his fault but must be forgiven by the parents. Blaming third party doesn't accomplish it.

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My heart almost stopped watching that video. I honestly think the parents keep covering for him because they can’t believe a loved one would do something like that to a baby so they keep telling themselves it’s OK; it’s Royal’s fault. Sal would never hurt Chloe. However they really need to drop the lawsuit and get on with their lives. I imagine Royal would not be happy to give them money to make them go away when it’s clear Grandpa is culpable and made one bad move after another. 

That said if they knew at all that he had a vision impairment that meant he couldn’t tell a window was open, why leave him in charge of her? Couldn’t one of the parents have stayed back as a second sitter while the other went to take care of whatever? 

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I’m following this story on another forum and read the CBS link someone posted. The family is angry the video was released and wants an investigation as to how Puerto Rican TV got it. Mom’s not too smart for being a lawyer herself:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cruise-ship-death-sam-anello-offered-plea-deal-in-death-of-granddaughter-chloe-wiegand-after-video-leaked/

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7 minutes ago, WoodsCommaElle said:

I’m following this story on another forum and read the CBS link someone posted. The family is angry the video was released and wants an investigation as to how Puerto Rican TV got it. Mom’s not too smart for being a lawyer herself:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cruise-ship-death-sam-anello-offered-plea-deal-in-death-of-granddaughter-chloe-wiegand-after-video-leaked/

Yea that's the family realizing their hopes of getting rich from this is slipping away.

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9 minutes ago, WoodsCommaElle said:

I’m following this story on another forum and read the CBS link someone posted. The family is angry the video was released and wants an investigation as to how Puerto Rican TV got it. Mom’s not too smart for being a lawyer herself:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cruise-ship-death-sam-anello-offered-plea-deal-in-death-of-granddaughter-chloe-wiegand-after-video-leaked/

So the family has had the video for some time.  

They saw grandpa stick his head out the window, bend over, pickup up their child and drop her out the window.   

Yet they defend him and then file against Royal. I suppose they must defend him until the lawsuit is over, then they can expel him from the family.  

This is all and only about money.  
 

 

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28 minutes ago, twangster said:

So the family has had the video for some time.  

They saw grandpa stick his head out the window, bend over, pickup up their child and drop her out the window.   

Yet they defend him and then file against Royal. I suppose they must defend him until the lawsuit is over, then they can expel him from the family.  

This is all and only about money.  
 

 

I do wonder if they’ve convinced themselves that ‘grandpa didn’t know the window was open’ as a defense mechanism against this horrible accident. No matter how valid the facts are, they can’t allow themselves to believe them as it would cause too much additional pain - especially for grandma and the step daughter.  

I also wonder what Chloe’s father is thinking at this point - as someone earlier pointed out, he’s a cop and should be trained to deal with facts.  He’s got to be in an even worse place if he sees the truth and can’t get his wife and in laws to address it.  Same with his parents if they see it, too.

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2 hours ago, tiny blonde said:

I don't know Spanish well enough to follow the narration of the video. Anybody? Can you follow what is being said?

+1, hoping someone can loosely translate the video commentary.  At least give a summary.  

But wow, you can read the FB comments posted by translating them onscreen.  A lot of the posters think this was premeditated.  I'm not sure I would go that far.

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Grandpa stuck his head out not once but twice before picking Chloe up. And then not just setting her on the railing, he lifted her over it and out onto what I'm assuming is the window ledge. If this goes to trial, this footage totally blows up their "Grandpa didn't know,  Grandpa couldn't tell, it's all Royal's fault defense."

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I truly do not get this family at all.  If you read the CBS link this is what the parents stated

"The family's sole motivation for not releasing the video was to protect their older child"

Huh? How is that child going to see it?  Don't you control the tv remote?  Don't you control their ability to see anything on the internet?  Sorry, BS Flag goes up for me on that defense.  My hubby defended this great nation during Gulf 1 and 2. He was deployed many times to what the military calls the sandbox (Iraq, Kuwait, Turkey, Afghanistan, etc) They were as young as babies and as old as teenagers during those 15 yrs.  Guess what I did when they were young?  No news on the tv until they were in bed, so they were unaware of what their Dad was doing.  They knew he was away, but there was no talking about what he was doing.  They were completely oblivious, or at least to this day they say we protected them and only when they got older did they realize, aka put 2 and 2 together that hmmm, that picture of Dad was taken at one of Husseins palaces, so he was in Iraq.

How on earth is this their defense?  Protect their older child?  You don't think doing the media circuit interviews is not making the child ask why are there cameras in our house?  When they did their announcement of suing RCL that the child didn't ask?  Any parent knows that kids at school talk.  My Mommy said your grandpa dropped your sister out a window.   I am sure that was said way before the video was released.  That horse left the barn 6 months ago.  

Had the video showed him not looking out the window before picking up Chloe, you darn well know their civil attorney would have released it to the media.  So, please, don't insult my intelligence as a parent and say...it was to protect our older child.  No, it was to protect yourself and your lawsuit.  It was to your best interests that it was never released to the world.  It is why impo RCL has not settled.  RCL has pure proof.  

If you also read that article, the grandfather is playing the line of color blind, but not truly believing it. ""I am colorblind," Anello said. "I've been told that that might be some reason, but I'm not the expert on that."

In essence, this man at his age, seems like he is doubting the defense.  He doesn't say I am color blind and because of that …. instead he says that MIGHT BE

Of course, now the family is going to be looked at as money grubbers.  They will become pariahs in their community.  You actually think his fellow police officers have not seen that video?  They may not say anything to his face, but you know, I know, we all know, behind his back they are talking, and ten will get me twenty, they are saying, Grandpa is at fault.

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1 minute ago, Pima1988 said:

I truly do not get this family at all.  If you read the CBS link this is what the parents stated

"The family's sole motivation for not releasing the video was to protect their older child"

Huh? How is that child going to see it?  Don't you control the tv remote?  Don't you control their ability to see anything on the internet?  Sorry, BS Flag goes up for me on that defense.  My hubby defended this great nation during Gulf 1 and 2. He was deployed many times to what the military calls the sandbox (Iraq, Kuwait, Turkey, Afghanistan, etc) They were as young as babies and as old as teenagers during those 15 yrs.  Guess what I did when they were young?  No news on the tv until they were in bed, so they were unaware of what their Dad was doing.  They knew he was away, but there was no talking about what he was doing.  They were completely oblivious, or at least to this day they say we protected them and only when they got older did they realize, aka put 2 and 2 together that hmmm, that picture of Dad was taken at one of Husseins palaces, so he was in Iraq.

How on earth is their defense.  Protect their older child?  You don't think doing the media circuit interviews is not making the child ask why are there cameras in our house?  When they did their announcement of suing RCL that the child didn't ask?  Any parent knows that kids at school talk.  My Mommy said your grandpa dropped your sister out a window.   I am sure that was said way before the video was released.  That horse left the barn 6 months ago.  

Had the video showed him not looking out the window before picking up Chloe, you darn well know their civil attorney would have released it to the media.  So, please, don't insult my intelligence as a parent and say...it was to protect our older child.  No, it was to protect yourself and your lawsuit.  It was to your best interests.

Of course, now the family is going to be looked at as money grubbers.  They will become pariahs in their community.  You actually think his fellow police officers have not seen that video?  They may not say anything to his face, but you know, I know, we all know, behind his back they are talking, and ten will get me twenty, they are saying, Grandpa is at fault.

Plus you would think Mom and Dad would know how easy it is to get a copy of the surveillance video. If Puerto Rico follows right to know or freedom of information laws like we do here, all it took is someone behind the scenes of that show to fill out some sort of form and sign off. It’s no different than the local news showing a video from a store of a robbery suspect. 

I’d also like to know what mom’s fellow attorneys think of her now. I used to work in law and there are some dumb attorneys out there just like every other profession. My boss used to catch the opposing counsel with their pants down all the time. I’m sure dad’s fellow cops talk about him; he’s barely peeped in the media and Mom has done most of the talking. 

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Here is one more thought to add into this mix.  

Pretty sure RCL took witness statements as soon as this occurred.

My guess is RCL security would immediately ask if anyone took photos...not of the accident, but moments just prior or after from an investigation aspect.  That would be just logical in my mind, but I am an NCIS, ID channel fan, thus, to me, that is what I would do when interviewing witnesses.

Think SELFIES people!   Seriously, how many times are you on the pool deck where people are taking pictures?  Not once have I ever walked across the pool deck without having to walk around someone taking a picture, ESPECIALLY on embarkation day!  This is the age of have phone, take a pic.  If they collected those pics, than they would also be able to show from different angles a time lapse of him.    

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14 hours ago, twangster said:

So the family has had the video for some time.  

They saw grandpa stick his head out the window, bend over, pickup up their child and drop her out the window.   

Yet they defend him and then file against Royal. I suppose they must defend him until the lawsuit is over, then they can expel him from the family.  

This is all and only about money.  
 

 

I can't wonder how much of this B.S. is from the sketchy lawyer convincing them to go forward and that it's not their fault...... I would almost bet that he approached them, not the other way around, and in their state of mind, sold them a "bill of goods" that it was Royal's Fault.  Now, thanks to the lawyer, they're "all in" --- no backing out now.  And who wins in the end.... the family?  Not even close....... The Lawyer?  You betcha. 

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