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True. No vaccine is 100% effective and there will always be people who are unable or unwilling to take it. However, it makes more sense than testing...and,  what other diseases would this be expanded to?

The ultimate solution is showing proof of a vaccine.  My point is why would RCI, or any cruise company when within a year-ish there will be a vaccine?

I don’t think it will entice enough people to cruise to make up for the cost of a short term fix.  Not to mention will likely be too big brother like for some people.  What about false positives, or worse, false negatives.

I’m not really sure it makes good financial sense to gear up all their ports/ships with this technology.  Does anyone know how long it would take to get the necessary equipment deployed and personnel trained?  Could they get it done before the vaccine hits?

Mike

43 minutes ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

I think some are missing the part that says, "which ever come first".

Probably why Royal, as of yet, may not be moving as fast as Carnival; because, "which ever come first", technically could be tomorrow, next week, next month, in 6 weeks, etc.

But, what's the likelihood it will be any sooner than mid to late June?  If we're successful in flattening the curve then that draws the end out further. 

Not to mention that #2 gives the CDC the authority to extend it beyond the 100 days. I for one do not want this to end any sooner than it needs to be to ensure it doesn't spread any further than is necessary.  IMHO, that's more important than anything else. 

Mike

5 minutes ago, AGSLC5 said:

If its Mid to Late July I wonder why Carnival only paused sailings until June 27th? What is the point of that? Shouldn't they of just made it sometime in July? 

I suspect they're hoping it will be rescinded before the 100 days. If they cancel all the way out won't they potentially be struck with empty ships they've already refunded?

Mike

That article is inflammatory, way over the top, an unfair characterization, and not exactly false.

The fact is a contagious virus could easily go through passengers and crew like wildfire.  But, 99.999999999999999999999% of the time it ain't a problem.  It's only in a world wide pandemic that it becomes a problem...a once in a generation event.

In the end, that article is just fear mongering and doesn't generally apply...most of the time.

Mike

26 minutes ago, TXcruzer said:

Maybe I’m wrong (wouldn’t be the first time) but I don’t read this article as lessening the the CDC order to 80 days; rather this article is referring to the original 120 day order being downgraded to 100 (article written April 13)
The document in the public inspection section of the federal register still shows 100 days and is due for publishing at midnight. 

That's how I read it too.  I've been wrong before....

Mike

1 hour ago, TXcruzer said:

I think you may be over estimating the industries ability to comply with the infrastructure requirements layed out in this order

Could be. The one thing I am sure of is my Oasis cruise departing May 31st ain't gonna happen. 

Mike

7 minutes ago, danv3 said:

You're correct, though it's largely an academic debate.  CDC can easily shorten the 100 days or lengthen the 100 days.  

No one should be assuming that a cruise scheduled to depart on April 15 + 101 days will proceed.  

I doubt it will last 100 days.  I kinda think that the max they expect so rather than update the order they said 100 unless rescinded sooner.

Mike 

I've been seeing lots of argument on Facebook about when the 100 days starts.  Some people are adamant that it starts from the original March 14th date.  Others, including myself, read it as starting from the date of publication of the new order which is scheduled for April 15th. 

Do I read it wrong?

Mike

8 hours ago, danv3 said:

Unclear when the 100 days starts to run.  It was set to be re-published in the Federal Register (re-starting the 100 days) but it seems that it has possibly been withdrawn (meaning they may be further revising it): 

Editorial Note: The agency has requested this document be withdrawn from publication after placement on public inspection. The document will remain on file through close of business on April 13, 2020. A copy of the agency's withdrawal letter is available for inspection at the Office of the Federal Register.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/04/10/2020-07677/no-sail-order-and-suspension-of-further-embarkation-notice-of-modification-and-extension-and-other

There is now a new publication date and a new document number.  I don't know what that's about though.

https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies/centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/04/15/2020-07930/no-sail-order-and-suspension-of-further-embarkation-modification-and-extension-and-other-measures

Mike

RCI put out a new press release but it doesn't say much.

https://presscenter.rclcorporate.com/press-release/92/rcl-response-to-cdc-announcementnbsp/

Mike

But, at the end of the document it states:

"This order is effective upon publication in the Federal Register and shall continue in operation until the earliest of (1) the expiration of the Secretary of Health and Human Services’ declaration that COVID-19 constitutes a public health emergency; (2) the CDC Director rescinds or modifies the order based on specific public health or other considerations; or (3) 100 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register."

IMHO, the 100 days or earlier starts from the date of publication.

Mike

I'm trying' have faith too. Right now we're planning like it's happening. 

Mike

My cruise is May 31st.  I'm not very hopeful.

Our cruise starts May 31st. With the latest news, there's a good chance our cruise will be canceled.  

Mike  

RCI's tweet says March 14th to April 10th, 2020.

Mike

2 minutes ago, RWDW1204 said:

Look at the really small print bottom left under day 5.

I did noticed that.  It's certainly an interesting exercise to get the correct dates for certain things.  Not to mention sites like cruisetimetables are clearly using the generic data for sailings making it difficult to post accurate info.  And yet, you were able to easily get the correct dates for an individual sailing.  You'd think itinerary sites would do that too.

Mike

24 minutes ago, RWDW1204 said:

Found these showing just 2. 

Interesting.  This morning this was what I found.  I just checked a few minutes ago and it still shows the Indiy at CocoCay on the 3rd.  What the heck is RCI's website doing?

Holy Cow!!!!!

It turns out that there will be three ships in Coco Cay on June 3rd.  The Oasis, Independence, and Majesty.  I just checked RCI's website for the itineraries and verified they are all going to be there on the 3rd.  We'll be on the Oasis.

That's 11742 to 14026 potential passengers between the three ships.

4 minutes ago, CGTLH said:

Think anyone will notice...

A little spackle and some paint and it's good as new. 

That's true.  The captain always has command of his ship...even when the Pilot is on board.  The Pilot is only responsible for navigation...a responsibility that the captain can relieve the Pilot of.  At least that's how it works in the US.  I'm not sure how those laws work internationally.

http://www.americanpilots.org/document_center/Perils_of_Piloting_Civil_Liability_and_Criminal_Prosecution.pdf

Mike

3 hours ago, Flacruiser99 said:

The Captain is the Master of the vessel. He is the only one responsible.

That may not not quite true...at least not in the US.  I'll have to look it up but I believe maritime law on this is the same everywhere.

The captain is always in command of and responsible for his vessel.  However, the captain turns over navigation duties, and thus the responsibility, to the pilot.  And, there's a very good reason for that.  The Harbor/Docking Pilot is the expert in local navigation; navigation that can change based on time of year, weather, traffic, etc.  When on board the navigation crew must follow the commands of the Pilot.  This is why the Harbor or Docking Pilot is legally liable/responsible for any mishaps or injuries that result as a result of their duties.  The captain can relieve the pilot for being impaired or incompetent but he had better be absolutely sure prior to doing so.

When I was in the Navy the Harbor Pilot came on board from a tug and had navigational control of our submarine.  I can't see how that would be different today.  Of course, I've been wrong before. 

Mike

IIRC, there is a height restriction (≈190 ft) for the Panama Canal due to the Bridge of the Americas.  That eliminates Oasis & Freedom classes...not sure about the others but at least the older ships should be able to make it.  I thought remember reading that the Anthem can though.

Mike

12 hours ago, twangster said:

Not in most cases and not without cables and adapter and some tech skills.

I have all of that.  Even a programmable remote that once I find out what make/model the TV is I can hook it up to my laptop and download the right code set. Although, we don't spend much time in our room. 

Mike

3 minutes ago, twangster said:

I'm hoping the TV's have WiFi access points built into them and you can stream to the TV's from your devices.  That was a concept they mentioned a while ago but never said anymore about.  WiFi in the TV would solve a lot of poor WiFi coverage issues.  

Can you stream to TVs on other ships?  That would be cool.