SteveinSC

CDC, 

Zero. I have trust issues and a bunch of FCC. Sigh.

The joys of headline writers trying to come up with clickbait. They misspelled "99.999% of fully vaccinated Floridians were not infected and there were zero cases of serious disease or deaths."

You got it.  And the media makes it a big deal, which fans the flames of people look for any excuse not to get it, and we end up with a bigger problem than the actual cases in this article.
For the CDC, while these cases happen, the difference is these people won't face life threatening conditions as a result of getting covid.  With that in mind, that definitely falls under "acceptable risk".
People got sick from colds, the flu, noro, etc on a ships in the past. A no sail order wasn't necessary for that because it really was not life threatening.  
This should be the logical conclusion based on vaccine rollout for allowing ships to sail.
Wait, let me write @twangster response to my post for him....
"Logical is the key word there. Also, @Lovetocruise2002 started her live blogs like eight months early"
Yup, you're right.

There's been some progress in the last couple days. They finished the coping around the spa and added the lights that hide just under the edge.
 
They also added the water features, lights, and coping to the columns.

 
Today, the guys built the fire pit, added the same stone veneer, topped it with coping, and added the lights there too. They added grout to it all, then they packed up their toys and left.
 
It's exciting to see, but they're not finished. They still need to add the center wall water feature and coping, and those edges on the fire pit are going to have to be ground down so it's more circular. As much as I love irregularly shaped octagons, that's not quite what was in the plans. ?

There will be a small percentage of people who get covid with the vaccine. Just like there's a larger percentage of people who get the flu despite the vaccine. Really not a big deal scientifically, but surely will be made a big deal in the media.

I think the impending doom she is sensing is based on the return to complete irrelevancy of the CDC.

I think you are misunderstanding how the 90% numbers are derived and how herd immunity works.  It means that if you are 100% exposed to the virus, you have less than a 10% chance of contracting it.  It makes the virus very unlikely to spread among vaccinated people - especially if they have been tested before getting on the ship.  Even if you did get it, it would not be a serious virus.
 

This trial studied how many "essential workers" considered to be at high risk of exposure to persons infected with SARS2, by virtue of their line of work, actually became infected over varying times after vaccination. What's behind these 80% effective after the first dose and 90% after the second numbers?
3950 participants.
After the first dose of an mRNA vaccine, in a controlled for post vaccination times analysis before the second dose, eight participants tested + for COVID by PCR.
After the second dose, also in a controlled for times post vaccination analysis, 3 participants tested + for COVID by PCR
Let me reiterate that ....... 3 people out of 3950 got infected after their second vaccine dose > 14d. THREE. 
You have to read the study if this sort of thing interests you to understand how that data translates to the 80% and 90% numbers. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm7013e3_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM53321&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR Early Release - Vol. 70%2C March 29%2C 2021&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM53321 
The study did not evaluate whether or not the 8 participants that became infected were capable of transmitting the disease. In other studies that have looked at this it has been found that subjects who did become infected with SARS after becoming vaccinated had significantly lower viral loads. What that translates to is a lower likelihood an infected person can pass SARS2 on to an uninfected person. 
This trail data suggests that on a cruise ship having around 4000 passengers and crew on board, you might get 3 infections regardless of symptoms displayed by an infected person who might have boarded during the cruise. Given how the cruise lines have layered mitigation measures that include pre-boarding PCR testing, onboard surveillance (random rapid tests), ID and isolation of COVID + persons and contact tracing, the risk of a bad COVID outcome on a cruise ship is so small as to be negligible - the cruise lines want it that way and have done a remarkable job of insuring that will be the norm on all operating cruise ships.

We could get into a long argument and throw numbers around but I'm just going to go with what % is "good enough" ... nothing in life is 100%.

I thought we had a deal?  Now Canada wants to change the deal?  Now what does Canada want?

 

Predict the 4th wave.

Allure of the Seas, from Ft. Lauderdale, April 10, 2022......fingers and toes crossed for the next year. This is the 3rd booking.....

My TA booked me this morning!
https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2021/03/24/new-adventure-of-the-seas-sailings-out-of-nassau-bahamas-now-available-book

If one uses the Ultimate beverage package correctly, ones mask usage will be limited. 

That definitely will ruffle some feathers if you need a vaccine, a negative test and still have to wear masks.

Good to see politicians trying to move the needle, but thus far it is clear the CDC does not really care about what any politician says (except perhaps the President, as evidenced last fall with that alleged tug of war with extending the no sail order).
The fact technical instructions haven't been delivered and it is now March (from when they were supposed to be given in October) is absolutely ridiculous. Talk about not being an honest broker.
The fear that the Conditional Sail Order is the No Sail Order with a different name is accurate, and it is absolutely absurd this has gone on this long.
I'm not saying cruises should  have been able to restart 6 months ago. Just that clearly the cruise lines have demonstrated a lot of self restraint, and they know more than anyone, the importance of operating safely given their very public and media-unfriendly coverage.
If the CDC is willing to say vaccinated people can all hang out and be merry together, explain to me why, at VERY least, those same people can't be hanging out, on a ship, with these multiple layers of precautions that have already been defined.  It really defies logic at this point.

Anyone taking bets on @Matt being on the first sailing? 

I’m on that same sailing & also hopes that Allure does sail the cruise next year

not sure how this helps ???
 

My 2 cents!!

Allure of the Seas, from Ft. Lauderdale, April 10, 2022......fingers and toes crossed for the next year. This is the 3rd booking.....

Allure of the Seas, from Ft. Lauderdale, April 10, 2022......fingers and toes crossed for the next year. This is the 3rd booking.....