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On 7/30/2021 at 3:01 PM, Jolly Ogre said:

They are not qualified. I will not send my patients to them.

Who do you recommend? PCR?

On 7/29/2021 at 5:12 PM, MrMarc said:

I wonder how long before Governor DeSantis issues an executive order prohibiting this.

never

Our condolences also

52 minutes ago, Iluv4n6 said:

Thanks -- will keep tabs on CP nonetheless.  I haven't heard what reduced capacity means for the AOS Aug 22 sailing, but I can understand that lower capacity may mean that reservations aren't necessary from a practical perspective.  I would be interested in hearing from others who are on early August cruises on Oasis class whether all the normal entertainment venues are open and if they noticed any changes to the show lineups due to either lower numbers of passengers or possibly a planned gradual roll-out of various shows as the ships restart.

We always showed up for our reservations on Oasis class.  

Hearing around 2K but with the change in vax rules could wind up being less. We are on this also and are curious ourselves. But I believe that you cannot book until onboard. We should know by next week as she sails Sunday.

Still have to wear mask indoors until you get seated in restaurant or in an all vaxed area

18 hours ago, CruisingOz said:

Hello Community,

I woke up this morning to an email from Royal cancelling my B2B cruise on the Radiance for the 13th Feb,22 5N Key West & Labadee and 18th Feb,22 9N Southern Caribbean out of Miami.

I am so upset as I would have thought all the cancellations out of Miami were a thing of the past. For us it is a bit of a big deal as we are coming in from Australia and have accomodations and flights booked. I know, first for issue but I would have thought 2022 would be as planned. 

Such is life. Now which cruise should I book to replace it?   

We were looking at Jewel for the same time frame, might try that out of Miami.

2 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

Nope.  Since it was a casino comp the only thing they will do is reinstate the offer that was used in the original booking.  No price protection or shifting for a casino comp.  I'm ok with it.  Chances are I would have had to cancel anyway unless the vax protocols lighten up, which I do NOT expect.

Yes just listened in on part of The coffee talk and no idea on when there will be a return to normalcy. 

10 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

We lost Vision out of Puerto Rico for Oct 30, 2021.  It looks like they have cancelled all of the PR sailings for Vision.

Here is a list of the cancelled sailings for the next couple of months

Will they switch you over to Explorer?

15 minutes ago, Jill said:

And this is exactly what DeSantis is trying to do with his law. His point is you shouldn’t need a vaccine to participate in everyday life. Grocery, Home Depot, football game etc. He should have exempted cruise lines though as a cruise is not required to live everyday life and given its unique atmosphere, an exemption would have avoided a lot of headaches. 

Great job Jill, exactly right. The governor spelled out in his executive order what he was talking about by citing restaurants, movies and sporting events. So I am thinking that a rewrite will be in the works with the next session to include something like traveling destinations require proof to be exempted.

Celebrity and Carnival are sailing with vax only over 12 (and I will stand correct if false) and what have we heard from the state, crickets.

3 hours ago, LovetoCruise87 said:

We are scheduled for Aug 22 with this itinerary. The only two excursion we have are St. Kitts and Coco Cay. So any change is ok with me. At this point we are not going to be canceling or rebooking. Too close and too excited to do that!

We are also and we just got the email that St. Kitts is out and St. Maarten is in!!

Looks like a way around the FL law.

The state trying to get to Merryday's court?

Smokeybandit, do you think this was "caught" on the plane over? Funny how they were negative getting on the ship and then 5 days later positive. Some one else can jump in here but it seems to take 3-5 days to show, and I will stand corrected on this point.

11 hours ago, dswallow said:

Wow Thanks!!

By the way, where are all of the NCL ships? I see the two in Miami but where are the rest?

I do this also but wondering now if that will be a thing of the past for awhile.

48 minutes ago, JeffB said:

I agree it is political but I don't think it's "sad." As I keep hammering home, aside from the complaint of economic harm that was done to the state of FL by the NSO and CSO, FL's claim asserts that an agency of the executive branch - the CDC - made quasi law in the from of the CSO usurping the powers of the legislative branch in doing so. 

What's important about that is over the last 20 or so years executive branch agencies that constitutionally have no law making authority and are unaccountable to the voters have assumed all kinds of power normally vested in the legislative branch. It's not just HHS/CDC.

The Judges hearing arguments in this case and then ruling have made it crystal clear in those rulings that the CDC exceeded it's lawful powers granted by the legislative branch. It's a shot across the bow of a wide range of US government executive agencies to knock that stuff off. Congress makes the laws, the executive branch carries them out.  The forefathers are smiling today.

I agree but my "sad" comment was the fact that the courts seemed to not be blind in some cases. Maybe its just me but it seems when a case comes up that may have our attention we start looking at who appointed the judge or judges.

Again I am no legal eagle but one thing I noticed in the filing to SCOTUS was the case law that FL produced backing its claim. It seemed quite lengthy to a novice but impressive. I agree that this does look political which is sad that we have potentially come to this.  

10 minutes ago, MrMarc said:

not necessarily.  I missed that footnote and you are correct.  It is not available pursuant to the RUles of the Appelate Court.:

11th Cir. R. 35-4 Matters Not Considered En Banc. A petition for rehearing en banc tendered with respect to any of the following orders will not be considered by the court en banc, but will be referred as a motion for reconsideration to the judge or panel that entered the order sought to be reheard: (a) Administrative or interim orders, including but not limited to orders ruling on requests for the following relief: stay or injunction pending appeal; appointment of counsel; leave to appeal in forma pauperis; and, permission to appeal when an appeal is within the court’s discretion.

Do you think the 3 judges of the 11th Circuit knew what would happened when the state appealed to SCOTUS?

36 minutes ago, MrMarc said:

Now the CDC will file an appeal to The Supreme Court or to the full 11th Court of Appeals (en banc).  So it is  like a chess-tennis mash up.  Except no one really knows who will make the next move or who will the ball next.

You are obviously more adept at reading and interpreting the language of law than I, but I think I read where in the appeal to the SCOTUS it stated the entire court was not available.

10 minutes ago, Atricks said:

One thing I can see going quickly is the mixed vaccine restriction.

Possibly, so I guess I should have said something to the effect of "not do anything that could make the CDC mad". The CDC could still win this and if they do then what?

35 minutes ago, CGTLH said:

Now the really fun question as the CSO being valid goes back and forth.

If a test sailing occurs while the CSO is recommendation only are the results from the sailing valid? Going a bit deeper, could the CDC opt not to participate in the sailing making it an invalid test.

Now the cruise lines could go forward and opt not to do the test sailings. However if the CSO becomes valid again and no conditional sail certificate has been issued the cruise lines are stuck. Would have the same issue doing a test sailing that might not be valid. Swell quandary to be if needing to do a test sailing.

I do not think the cruise lines will change their protocols or schedules at this point. Not sure they could if they wanted to.

14 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

That quoted health law expert has previously said the lawsuit never had any chance and has had a pretty anti cruising stance

That the one that loves suing the cruise lines? 

1 hour ago, twangster said:

Ever get the feeling you're watching a tennis match?

All the cruise line CEO's!!!!!!!

39 minutes ago, JeffB said:

They clearly did. I just read the ruling at the link. If I understand this it was Justice Thomas that got involved on the basis that the case was likely to be heard by the SCOTUS. I may not know the correct terms but he directed that the 11th COA's granting of CDC's appeal was unjustified on multiple grounds all of which parallel Judge Merryda's findings in his ruling.

I'm not sure of this but it seems to me as of right now, the CSO is unenforceable in FL and probably TX. The Thomas ruling does not speak to Merryday's July 18th deadline for the the CDC to rewrite and resubmit the CSO to comport with their lawful authority to issue it.

Jeff did Justice Thomas really need to mention Judge Merryday's ruling? If a=b and b=c then a=c thought process or it Friday lets go home. LOL